Busting the SOLUS Kickstarter - "The Most Efficient Radiator In The World" based on "completely new, eco-friendly and graphene-based technology"
"Save over 80% on your next heating utility bill"!
TLDR; It's a crazy expensive 200W - 300W glass panel heater with magic woo-woo graphene paste that does not produce any more heat than any other equivalent wattage panel radiator heater.
A kind-of follow-up video explaining room heater technology in detail: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3pE_mDwCpk
Kickstarter: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/koleda/solus-the-most-efficient-radiator-in-the-world/
Xefro graphene heater scam: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/freeze-put-on-scam-heating-system-company
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Hi, Its Kickstarter time again. So us, the most efficient radiator in the world. save over 80 percent on your next heating, a utility bill. Electric heater built on completely new, eco-friendly and graphene based technology.

Oh yeah, let's go. So this is a Swiss company. There's only five days left on the campaign. You better get in quick And they've raised four hundred and fifty seven thousand Australians of their 70 thousand dollar goal.

So this thing's going ahead with the revolutionary eco-friendly graphene technology and it's the most efficient radiator in the world. So they've invented a radiator heater I guess God Now use your what Kickstarter Wang Curie down here which will no doubt look into. it's A for what is it. two hundred and seventy five Australian dollars for the early backers, that's for the small unit, three hundred and twenty five Ozzie bucks for the larger unit and well, you can go all the way with LBJ right? What can you get? You can get a whole house pack for fifteen hundred Aussie bucks.

You can get six of them. Yeah! I Think you're gonna need at least six of them. Hmm. so what's a radiator heater? Well, it's a heating element that just radiates heat into the air, converts electricity into heat.

And Bob's your uncle. Just like these oil heaters that you're familiar with or they talk about water-based heaters. We don't really have water based heaters here and I think it's a thing, but it's a thing in Europe apparently. Anyway, I'd Like an oil-based here like this, so it just radiates out into the room or space that you're trying to heat instead of having a fan, which well you can get these with.

They're called like space heaters and they like actually actively use fans to push out the heat and circulate the heat around the room. And they can be more efficient in terms of heating a volume of a room for example. But their one is just like this except it it looks flat and you hang it on the wall and it looks so funky and modern. Let's take a look at the video porno music, take a look around you.

In the age of smart leaders and technology still lagging far behind, Radiators are clunky, organic. a lot of money to rock climb till now here at Colette like month oldest with Solace most efficient radiator in the world Here at Caleta we've solved this with Solace: most efficient radiator in the world, Most efficient, right? environmentally. They only 100 percent accessible to all slimming support accessible. The wall is the very core of solar.

In fact, our labs testing has shown that Solos will save you between eighty and ninety five percent of the cost of your heating. In order to make this reality, we invested time and effort in perfecting our unique graphene-based heating. Graphene. look.

Graphene enticed. This innovative technology allows Solos to be used in almost any application where there is a power source, whether it be in your apartment of grid or with alternative energy sources such as solar and wind AC or DC. It doesn't matter. We design Solace from the ground out not only to reduce your heating costs but to completely replace expensive out there is important get my stands for a system is modular meaning it adapts your living circumstance and can even will pop up.
you sit down side to be used freestanding warm. it looks pretty good by layered glass filled offers a sleek header. Like the black finish with Solace you moved away from the standard with metal radiator tempered glass use like very good does fan will conduct us make a product super light and therefore portable. It also offers he died becomes out the engine rat resistant Finished Solace also comes with a prepackaged thermal regulator which you can use to set the desired room temperature.

Once the temperature has reached the heater, we automatically cycle on and off the warmth set of animals regulator. This saves you money, prevents over fans technology better. It's not like any other radiator tent. So what does the radiators done? A thermal regulate make a system that lasts.

Unlike traditional heating element resistant heating technology, it doesn't oxidize okay meaning that it will still be insufficient. Thirty years from now as it is today and Caleta we have years recently. Hi Solace We have done our prototyping and lab tests you already have on the glass with suppliers for every single component that makes up to the complete product. Which brings us to now we want to bring you on board for the final stages of our journey towards mass production.

E is all about the journey, order and you want about journey with invest in our first production run, raw materials and the warehouse space needed to make Soleus a reality. And you thought you can do that? A liminal grant will save money on your heating costs to make a more sustainable future possible. for all. there's so many things wrong with this.

Where do you begin? The most efficient radiator in the world? These radiators Here, or any bar radiator. any resistive element radiator is by definition 100 percent already 100 percent efficient at converting electricity into heat. That's what they do. The Soleus is exactly the same technology.

It is a radiated element heater. It's a resistive element that heats up, converts electricity into heat BTUs and then heats up your room. That's it. It is absolutely fundamentally no different to any ever like a bar element radiator heater or one of these oil heaters or any other non fan base non convection based of radiant heater.

except it looks funky. It switch between two glass plates and glasses. a horrible thermal conductor. So really it's you know it's going to be radiating around the edges of this thing.

So all we've done is converted the form factor of your more traditional fin based oil type heater like this into this wanky flat thing which you sit on your wall and even if it came out through the glass, it what. It heats up the back of your wall. that's terrific in it. And they've got two different models here and if you have a look at here, the cheapest one is there.
It is consumption approximately 190 watts per hour consumption or with the included thermostat approximately 90 watts per hour. And they go in and tell you the ratings below. So let's just round it up. This is a 200 watt capable radiant heater.

There's a no amount of magic Woowoo! Graphene paste that you put inside this thing is going to make it greater than a coefficient of performance or cop of one. It's called which you can do with air conditioners which is a you know their heat pumps which is a totally different thing. This is not a heat pump, it is a radiant element heater and they smear some woowoo graphene paste on it and that's supposed to somehow magically make it more efficient. Nope, it's still a radiant heater and in this particular case it's got a resistive element.

It's going to be a hundred percent efficient just like any other oil heater or space heater or anything else. Now they have a bigger model down here which is 300 watts per hour consumption or with the included thermostat, it's half that heating area up to 20 square meters. The other one was up to 15 square meters. So yeah, not much difference.

So two different sizes. So all this about efficiency is just that. It is 100% in terms of converting electricity into heat or BTUs or British thermal units. Or you know, heat energy that you use to heat up a room In this particular case as a radiator.

except this one. Guess you stick it on a wall, stick it on your table. But it's fundamentally no different. wears exactly the same principle.

So Us is the world's most efficient radiator street the Box Mill with our patent-pending no no tech coding and graphene-based hidden element Solace will save you approximately 80% off the cost of your heating compared with conventional water-based radiators, and over 95 percent off the cost of your heating. If you heat your home with other electric radiators built to simply plug and play, the source can be integrated into any home in the matter of seconds. Yeah, so can any other radiant heater you just plug it in. Whoop-dee-doo Now I Don't doubt their claim that it's going to use less energy.

Of course, it's going to let use less energy because it's only a 300 watt or a hundred and ninety watt element, but even that is fake, which we'll have a look at later because it actually draws more power than that. Our unique heating technology work works with both traditional conviction based heating as well as infrared heating, meaning that each source unit can heat a 15 square meter space with up to 20 times less power usage because it is a much lower heat radiator. that's why it. ultra lightweight tempered glass, total weight of 4.5 kilos? Yeah, look I Gotta admit like it looks pretty sexy them feet.
They spent so much engineering effort or you know, put it on the wall and the stuff like that, but really like putting it on the wall considering that it looks like it just radiates out both sides through tempered glass which as a horrible is a horrible thermal conductor. So I like you wouldn't stick it like on the wall. really. from an efficiency point of view, it's just silly.

And it comes with this wanky little portable thermal regulator thing, which I presume is like a Wi-Fi II Wireless type thing. Eco-friendly and 100% recycle. or not only is an ultra efficient, it's also fully rechargeable. Once again, ultra efficient.

Like they talked about efficiency like it's somehow magically we were different from a radiated heater, it is not. It is just a hundred percent efficient at converting electricity and heat. just like any other radiator. You can only talk about efficiency in terms of BTUs and volume movement inside a room and stuff like that.

But as far as comparing it to a regular radiator, it's exactly the same radiant heater. Graphene doesn't make it any different. Yeah sure, graphene has superb thermal conductivity, but that only conducts it out. It doesn't magically generate more heat.

It's not a heat pump. It doesn't have a coefficient of performance greater than one. It's got to be legit. It's as seen in Forbes Uncrate.

What? I don't Also I don't do here with these. Their production processes started. Yeah, look. I Don't doubt that they're going to deliver on this thing right then.

They've put a lot of effort into it. Their team is for they entrepreneurs to rocket so they have rocket scientists on their team. Fantastic assembly line in Latvia Cool I Don't want my Latvian viewers Why is that 80 percent figure? Common? You know better. eyes are eight hundred percent.

Eight times. You know all that's good. Round Number: Any campaign promising to save you know X amount or its X amount more efficient. You just know it's a hundred percent.

Unlike conventional electric convection heaters, source combines both convection and infrared heating. What's to improve the efficiency? What What? It's a radiant heater. Just like this is a radiant heater. There's no fan in this thing and there's no like why you would even compare it to a convection heater which has a fan which actively moves things like.

we realize that in order to show exactly how source achieves is ultra high efficiency one hundred percent just like a radiant heater. We need is to dig a little deeper into the technology behind the product and show how this differs from traditional heating sources and backing up some of our claims. Efficiency of heating is a multi-faceted subject it is at. Whilst many electric heaters are very efficient near in 100% actually, all of them are by definition at producing heat from Tricity, We're brand-new sources both highly efficient in creating heat exactly the same hundred percent, maintain the efficiency through its lifetime exactly as the others do, and also crucially at delivering heat in an efficient way to where it's needed.
How it's not a convection, it's a radiant heater. How is magically making it a flat panel with a ridiculously bad thermal performance glass on either side? Granted, you can get some glasses which are a lot better, but they don't mention that they just mentioned tempered glass. That's it. and magic.

we were. graphene paste inside it. How does that magically and at delivering the heat in an efficient way? How is that different to any other sort of radiant fin based heater? Why, Cuz it's a large flat panel like this and you stick it on the wall where it's gonna drink, It's gonna warm up your wall pretty well at delivering the heat and efficient way to where it's needed, ensuring you get maximum comfort in the shortest amount of time. the shortest amount of time.

So you're saying that with either a 300 watt or a 200 watt by your own numbers, Radiant heater is going to heat in the shortest amount of time. It's gonna heat a room the shortest amount of time. What to do This It has to have a coefficient of performance greater than one. This is a resistive element heater.

Just like anything else. it's got a hundred percent efficiency. I mean this is not rocket science. What's kilowatts converts directly into BTUs per hour? Let's have a look.

So at 300 Watts say for their large panel, no point. Three kilowatts is just over a thousand BTUs an hour. And that's the amount of heat generated. Now if we have a look at 1500 watts Oh 1.5 kilowatts, it's over five thousand BTUs an hour.

That's the amount of heat that's going into the room that has to be used to heat up this volume and there's no other magic way around it. Sure if there's you use like a forced convection systems and it depends on the room and the losses and all sorts of things. but basically heat delivered into room A, it's a three under Watts versus 1500 watts. Like just me sitting here getting all excited I'm like dissipating like 200 watts if I was standing in that room.

I'm equivalent to you can hire me and stand in your room and rant and I'll generate a cold dissipate a couple of hundred watts. You got to keep feeding me to an energy input. You don't get it for free, but this is ridiculous. Like I'd like 200 or 300 what radiated heat it might be I Cave is it? You know, sitting a couple of feet away from it? Oh yeah, look, it's warm.

Oh, isn't that toasty? But it's not gonna heat the volume of your room. You have to have a very highly insulated room and you gotta leave it on for a long amount of time to raise a volume of air a certain temperature. It's basic thermal physics and it's certainly not going to do it in the shortest amount of time. It is physically card unless you're defying the laws of physics.
Captain: Unlike conventional electric convection heaters, Sauce combines both convection and infrared heating to improve the efficiency of heat delivery. How does this magically differ from any other radiant heater? Any other radiant heater. Is it that he's going to convict around the room? it's gonna radiate out. It's exactly the same thing.

what they're making the sound as if it's something magically different. Infrared heating warms the objects in the room directly, blah blah blah. Air stores and delivers heat fairly poorly. and the heat from convection radiators.

Once in, the air, rises to the top of the room. not exactly where you want it. How does the soleus differ? It radiates heat. The heat rises convicts around the room.

It's no different. It's exactly the same. and the heat escapes out of the room in the gaps and windows and doors. Yes, it does.

This is incredibly inefficient. method of heat delivery requires a lot of heat to warm us. baseball. How does your magic we were radiant heater differ from any other radiant heater.

They're just telling you all this just to bamboozle you into thinking that this is somehow magically different. It's not infrared heating, instead warms the walls, furniture, and even the people in the room gently, which says slowly release the heat directly into the room offer in a complete a be at 360 degree heating system. It's exactly the same as any other radiant heater. It radiates the heat out, and depending on where you put it, depending on other objects in the room and other losses and all sorts of where your losses are in the room, it's a complex thing.

This isn't gonna magically be any different from any other radiant heater. it's waffle heat cycling now. Unique heating element technology, harnesses, and amazing quality to be able to heat up extremely fast due to its incredibly incredible conductive ability. In fact, it can heat up to 100 C in just a couple of minutes, meaning almost as soon as you turn.

Solar Sonia will fill the warming effect. Whoop-dee-doo To heat a room which is a volume of air assuming that there's no losses requires X amount of BTUs and we'll look at an online BTU calculator soon - it's basic stuff. There's nothing new here and they just bamboozled me again. It heats up 200 C and then cools back to 48 C Y 48 as it releases the heat into the environment.

Once called, the temperature shoots back up to 100 C This cycle is in contrast to normal convection heaters which require constant power and as we'll see in the one of the updates or frequently at know one of the comments, they say it's like they pulse it 1.5 seconds on 1.5 seconds off. Like, how is that magically gonna do anything Oxidization As we discussed in our first update, Conventional electric heaters use metallic heating elements. Over time, this heating oils begin to suffer from oxidization which reduces their efficiency over time. Now I'm no genius, but let's say your radiant heater uses a thousand watts and it oxidizes on the surface of your element.
Or whatever. How does it become less efficient? It's still consuming a thousand watts. It's converting a thousand watts into heat. that heat radiates out into the room.

The the oxidization doesn't do anything. Oh, but it gets better. When you heat a metallic heating element, you will see the element changes color. This changing color is the effect of oxidization.

This create a galvanic effect between the oxide and the heating element. This galvanic effect creates magnetic fields of various frequencies and the wire becomes less and less effective with each use. And as it creates magnetic fields instead of heat, What? I Don't even want to try and counter that. Like so, the effective distance from Metallic eighteen Ellen becomes less and less effective until it burns out.

What you can see in any other electric radiator with Metallic heating element. The effects of these magnetic fields can be witnessed on a normal heater, whereas a turn to Honour will attract dust and small particles to it and will burn them. Normal heaters emit foul smells. Our heater doesn't attract such particles and hence doesn't emit foul smells.

which is again, due to the absence of a magnetic field. What drugs are they on? Seriously, We use a modified pulse current fit to supply our heaters. As I said I Think Believe It's as they say: One point five seconds on one point five seconds off. Apparently this works by pulsing, meaning that it is in a constant supply.

Utilizing a pulsing supply, we can reduce the amount of power being drained by being drained by the heater. Most electrical devices require micro components to convert this pulse current into a useable form a unique heating arm. It doesn't need this conversion step again, allow us in us to use less power to achieve a similar result. So how they doing that are they? They're saying they don't need any micro components.

They don't have any circuitry that does this well. They heating using maybe a bimetallic, you know, a thermal regulator to cut it off and on. In that case, it wouldn't be magically 1.5 seconds on 1.5 seconds off. But anyway.

Okay, so their pulse in it. That means you're delivering less heat. You're delivering less BTUs Like it's a simple conversion. It's not hard heat in a room requires.

BTUs If you turn your element off for half the time, you're not producing any energy. During that time, you're not producing any heat. Yeah, it's still radiate out heat. And you know, can't defy the laws of physics, Captain.
The resistance of the heater is made with the maximum efficiency in mind. Once again, it's a hundred percent efficient like any other radiant heater, and it doesn't matter what losses that you have in there, it converts everything into heat. Additionally, normal conductors heating elements have different resistant values. In cold and hot state, the resistance of our heater has the same resistivity in both cold and hot state.

Who cares? It's the amount of energy you're producing, the amount of heat and amount of BTUs your element is producing. As a result, our heater doesn't give fluctuations in the grid during its use. It doesn't give fluctuations. you bet you admit, it turns it off and on.

It pulses it. What? The electric resistance in our heater is adapted to the electric current from which it has to work. We have precisely measured, precisely measured the effective rate regime of Solus. The tests were conducted at a royal A Technical University in Sweden Oh, it's gotta be legit.

Safety Update: Oh yeah, you meet various standards. What they do help spread the word I am you're welcome Referral program Wow I could be I could be getting money for this and stretch goals Wow or paint it white or something. will personally engrave them. Whoa.

And here's the technical specs there. It is: rated input: 200 watts. that's for this small one. So of course it's going to use like eighty percent less power or whatever because it's 200 watts compared to like 1500 watts for a standard thing.

But this puts out a lot more BTUs than this in proportional amount based on the amount of power that you're drawing because they're both 100% efficient. Radiators Again, like, how does that like? How is this a thing? You've got the glass on the side, which is a piss-poor radiator and then you've got the little edge or whatever it I And it's a 2. So it's a thin 200 watt radiant element and as I said, it doesn't matter what whoo-whoo graphene paste you put in there, it doesn't magically produce more heat so they reckon it can. You know, like 15 to 20 square meters depending on which model you choose went come in different colors.

How many watts per hour does solace consume? One solace unit consumes approximately 90 watts per hour. Views with the included thermo regulate refuse. Without the thermo regulator each unit consumes are correctly: 190. that's the smaller one as I said, and it's rated for 200 watts.

So right there is it. Not a hundred percent efficient. You can mount it horizontally or vertically. Cool.

Now, if you read the comments here, there's actually like a lot of skeptical people. as they should be and you can read it for yourself. I'll link the project in down below and there are sponsors that just want to get very vague and things like that. And Jonathan here really art nails it.

What's our unit are literally units of heat. Yes, you can actually convert a kilowatt hours into BTUs which like BTUs is just a thing in the air-conditioning / heating business British Thermal units. But it's exactly the same thing. It's just a direct conversion.
The more watts, the more heat. There's no way around that there are different styles of heaters for different applications. My infrared makes you feel warmer due to heat in your skin directly rather than the air and oil. radiators heat the air so they take a bit longer and are designed for longer-term use.

Let's put this another way. would you hit your room with a 200 watt light bulb? I Don't think so and so it wouldn't be very warm. That's the same amount of heat you're going to get out of this heater unless they start claiming that they've got a cop a coefficient of performance greater than one, then that's exactly true. You cannot get around that it's produced, it's consuming 200 watts, but it's actually more as we'll take a look at.

Please explain why this is better than the twenty dollar Space Heater I Can purchase that. One of the major big-box stores. The space Heaters are the ones with a resistive element heater plus a fan that just circulates the air around your room. Your Bond spot on Jonathan You can't use more than 1500 watts on a 15 amp circuit that's equivalent to 50 100.

BTUs You mentioned that you use 300 watts, which makes this use 18. use 80% less electricity, but in doing so, it also produces 80% less heat. Tada, You would need five of these heaters in order to provide the same heating capability the standard Twenty Dollar Space Heater provides. Since this unit costs $350 per unit, it's actually like double that.

This is just the kickstart of the retail price is gonna be a lot higher. Any and all electric heaters by definition are 100% efficient. I Mean look. this is why everyone in the comments is saying this.

It's obvious to even like even not engineers know this. Let's let's look at their response to Jonathan here. traditional heating systems have numerous drawbacks. Once again, how is this different to a traditional heating system? It's not.

It's a radiant heater. You will notice all the headers that you review on your video use the same technology. Such dish advantages are compensated by the properties of Graphene, which we're using hates. So a 100% efficient radiant heater has disadvantages that are compensated by the properties of Graphene.

As I said, graphene is an excellent conductor of heat. It really is. It's brilliant, but that doesn't magically produce more heat. If you're drawing consuming 200 watts from your mains, then you're producing 200 watts of heat.

The graphene is not a heat pump. It doesn't produce more heat. The efficiency of our heaters does not break any laws of physics. I Know because it's a hundred percent exactly like all the others.
Having said that, there are numerous studies that show Graphene defies the laws of thermal conductivity. We are not the only company of those working in this direction. For instance, there is a company called Cambridge Nanosystems who conduct detailed analysis unique properties of Graphene. These companies like to specialize in the manufacturing graphene on industrial scale.

Bla Bla Bla We have managed to streamline the extraction process, make the production process cheaper. We can say there's definitely revolutionary in the field of heating. Please explain how it magically produces more heat this graphene. This woo-woo graphene paste at the current stage.

many properties of graphene are not yet clear as they still be in heavily researched era. For your information, we're presenting this scientific article: Bla Bla Bla. Well, let's have a look at an article shall we? This is Gov Dot Uk' This is the official UK a government freeze put on scam heating system company. I Want to make it clear this is not.

This is a totally different company unrelated to Solace This is a Manchester-based Zef Row Trade Limited which misrepresented Graphine heating systems to the public was wound up by the High Court Zepho Trade Limited sold its products on the basis of misrepresentations made in promotional material and its investigation by the insolvency service found the company misled the public and failed to install system safely. Potential customers were given comparisons between their current heating systems and the potential savings, suggesting that the Zephyrs Fo graphene coated radiators could reduce the cost heating of a house by 75% does that sound familiar? 80% and save two tons of carbon system per year. The company falsely stated that these claims have been verified by independent tests, but in fact the cost of operating the Zepho system was more than double and produced to invest. What's the amount for its 24-hour period.

And apparently that's what the Zef RO system looks like. So it's a once again, it's a big panel radiant graphene. He died just like solace and this company was busted by the UK government for misleading the amount of energy you'll save. Oh gee, I Wonder how Solace magically do any better? And there's more companies producing.

There's the Graphene heating systems. Why? Graphene? 21st Century Magic technology. Blahblah. Because it's it's more thermally conductive.

People are duped into thinking it's somehow magically going to be different in a panel radiator heater. It's and once again, Jonathan nails it. I Do understand that graphene is a very conductive material. However, it isn't capable of generating heat, only conducting heat that's already there.

This means it cannot be more efficient than the heat is linked in the video. I may be better at one, but it may be better at one particular applications such as IR heaters are better at provide what two people while oil heaters are better at long-term heating, but it's not better at producing heat. He's 100 percent correct and the reply is in fact, we have found that raising the temperature of our heading islands is most effective through supply of non-constant pulsed electric current. It works in the following way: The heating element is supplied with 1.5 seconds of electric current and is then cut off from the supply for another 1.5 seconds.
This process is repeated until the heater reaches its maximum temperature. We observed that during the off cycle 1.5 seconds when the current is off, the heating element continues to generate heat due to the self cooling properties of graphene, which results in a difference of potentials. There's a spinning, it's not, the graphene is not producing heat, the graphene is not producing Heat with no power input. It's just and it just goes on and on and on.

Everyone's skeptical and they just like try and pull out some. All this. At least they're answering answering questions even if their answers are not answers or just based on complete waffle or completely wrong aspects of engineering and physics. It's just.

it's ridiculous. And in their update here I won't spend long on it. They got a whole video and They basically they can claim they hired a 15 square metre room which is bang-on for their what they claim for their marketing and they show that even under worst case conditions. The the solos the larger panel, the EM 105 panel or whatever basically used 10 kilowatts over 24 hours compared to 31 kilowatts for the two kilowatt oil heater.

And look, you go watch it. Go watch it yourself. They've got this room here and after 24 hours is that good at doing 1.5 seconds on or off. look see where it is compared.

It's on the wall, right near those many of those thermostats there. anyway. where is the oil heater? the oil heaters there. It's in the middle of the room, right? It's just anyway, blah blah blah.

They make these comparisons that it's better and once again, like everyone's questioning this as well and it's definitely not. I Not a controlled test at all and like it was different temperatures outside. But anyway, they're making some claims and I'm not very good at the mathematical 's but let's take the figure there of ten point six kilowatts and divide that by 24 hours. Ah, 440.

what's it's consuming Average over 24 hours. What happened to the 300 watt rating of this panel? Oops, let alone the hundred and 50 watts you remember over here. They claimed they make the very specific claim right here on the thing. you're buying 300 watts per hour.

it's for that. Did their own tests showed it that he consumed 440 watts per hour or a hundred and fifty watts with the thermostat. They were using their thermostat. If you watch the video it's plugged in supposed to be use a hundred and fifty watts.
It's actually in their own test that's showing it's using four and it's taken four hundred and forty watts. Anyway, there's so many different issues with this sort of testing. I Won't go into all the details, but hopefully look you can see the the resistive are they like graphene elements and what's the paste? Is that like a great magic graphene paste kind of stuff. Like what the what the hell? It's not going to magically make it better.

Their resistive elements spread over a presumably they just say tempered glass like which is a horrible conductor of heat. So they got this magic graphene. which is okay. Graphene is a brilliant conductor of heat, so they're practically magical.

but it's and then they put like gloss over it. Unbelievable. So they've just made a penile radiator exactly like any other. but they smear some graphene.

we were paste in it and wake it up on Kickstarter and they get like half a million bucks, you know. And it's unbelievable. It's not more efficient than a regular unit now. It's actually quite a complicated thing to try and calculate how to raise the temperature of a room with either a radiant heater or a conviction for like a forced convection heater or or anything like that.

But there's industry standard calculators for these things. There's many online and stuff like that. So if we go for the exact same room that they had 5 metres by 3 meters IIE 15 square meter room two and a half meter ceiling height I'm gonna say the insulation is normal. it looked okay, they said it was quite poor.

But anyway and let's say we wanted to desire temperature increase of 10 degrees Celsius You calculate that and you will need four thousand BTUs an hour or 1200 watts just to change just to raise the volume of air in that room you need like a 1300 watts. and this thing is supposed to magically do it with either 200 or 300 watts or 440 as we saw on the calculator. It's just can't do it there. This is not a heat pump.

It's not magic. It's the same efficiency as any other radiant heater. The graphene does absolutely nothing. and even if we get poor like that, you're talking about 2600 watts to raise that room by 10 degrees and like.

And once again if you get like a convection base one one of these like space heaters so you can buy one of these little space heaters is a little tiny like it's just a personal heater. It also is 250 watt energy-efficient solution for 14 for what is it? Yeah, 11 bucks, 14 bucks or something. like yeah, crazy. It's the same amount.

It's gonna produce the same amount of heat as this. Ten times more expensive I wonder 20 30 times 40 times more expensive. Magical Whoo-whoo Solace you because the retail price on this is gonna be yeah, it's like 40% off the price so you know it's gonna be like 500 Australian dollars or something. and this produces the same amout of heat.
So there's just like tons of these space heaters and they cost very little and they're gonna be if anything, more efficient at hating a space then because they can use fan forced convection to heat up the room. This thing at what 200 or 300 watts added post and it's a big flat thing wedge between glass panels. I Don't even I Don't have to do any more on this. Sorry I've already spent way too long on this so don't believe this.

That is going to save hey, 80% on your next heating utility bill because you'll after you leave this thing on forever for much longer than you would for one of these things to heat up the equivalent spaceship. You simply cannot get around the the required energy BTUs to heat up a volume of space. And as I said, it's quite complex depending on if you've got humans in there as humans emit, you know, a couple hundred watts or whatever and you know, And then you got furniture. You'll have dead spots in the room, you'll have leakage points and all sorts of you know stuff.

But stick in one little pissant little you know, radiant panel on on your wall or whatever that that's like, this consumes 200 watts and this is supposedly some magically revolutionary we were. It's just not it's done. This thing is completely busted. It's going to end up the same way as this a UK government thing, this company.

and they're just like people who end up suing them. Probably because the claims are just I Was there one magically different? It ain't So it's very likely that they really do believe that this thing is somehow revolutionary and they just I just don't understand about heating the volume of air in a room and how that no amount of thermally if graphene is going to produce more heat. They're just. and they're just digging their hole deeper and deeper and deeper, trying to answer all of the questions.

And they go. Oh, but it's going out for independent testing and stuff like that. And yeah, once we see independent testing, it's going to be no better than any other radiant heater. Now that being said, of course.

okay, this may. in some circumstances this particular panel might actually work better for your specific circumstance, and you might feel warmer if you sit in front of it or whatever compared to, you know, some other space heater on the other side of the room. But in terms of heating up the volume of a room, you simply cannot get around the the number of BTUs required to heat a volume of space and continue to heat that volume of space based on leakage. So it's just nuts.

and it's the same story with Kickstarter's over and over again. They, you know and they probably do believe in this thing. That and they just you know they're so far down the rabbit hole that they have to. You know it starts justifying this in every way possible and every test they do will be slanted towards trying to give them a good result in comparison.
But when you actually do proper A B comparisons under proper control conditions, you'll find that this is a 200 watt radiator and it's not going to produce as much heat as a 50 note of what radiator and a story. So there might be some circumstances where like a lower wattage panel based radiator like this might actually be a bit more effective, not efficient effective in terms of heating a particular small space or whatever, especially if you sit in front of it or whatever then some larger heater. For example, one of these big 1,500 watts which is sit to close. Well, that's too hot, so you generally back off and stuff like that it.

You know there's some circumstances where it may be beneficial, but it's not magically going to heat a volume of air in a room. it's just not. It's 200 watts. And when they can't even get their own calculations right there here, show it concerned: 440 watts when it's only a 300 watt panel or A and actually 150 watts with their magical thermostat I can't even verify their own specs? It's ridiculous.

But anyway, it does look sexy. and I'm sure they'll deliver. You know they've got enough money. Maybe I don't know.

Maybe they're in the Valley of Death where they don't have, haven't raised quite enough money though. We're never gonna do this for their seventy thousand dollar goal, of course, but now they've raised almost half a million bucks with five days to go. Is there going to be enough? Are they gonna run out of money as a lot of these? I Kickstarter's do when they try to take these things into projection. but I hope they deliver and I hope the backers at least get their panel delivered.

but it ain't gonna be magic. sorry. no amount of graphene woohoo is kind of fix that. Leave your comments down below of what you think of this thing.

Also on the Eevee blog forum link down below and I'll link all this stuff in as well. Catch you next time.

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28 thoughts on “Eevblog #1186 – solus graphene heater kickstarter busted!”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Skyler Martinez says:

    Is the newer Boldr Kelvin the same product? Was considering getting one, but came across this video on Reddit and now I’m unsure

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mappy Land says:

    Aside from ripping off gullible backers, the second worst thing these scam Kickstarters do is waste a bunch of natural resources in creating products that don't have ANY purpose except to exist as proof that the Kickstarter project wasn't a complete scam. And the fossil fuels burned in order to deliver said product to the 850+ suckers who can't be asked to do 10 minutes of practical research before clicking on the "Flush your money away" button of regret. Kickstarter is a scam on a global scale, kind of like Scientology.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars BlueB1C2 says:

    I should just start reselling window AC units, installing them backwards, and claiming >100% efficiency.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Seth B says:

    Wow, plug it into the wall and the wires get hot, just like a toaster.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars billybbob18 says:

    It amazes me how easily someone can scam millions out of people over products a smart high school student can debunk. Solar panels on a car… SMH. People like us who create objects rooted in reality have no chance. Electric heat is always 100 percent efficient at 3.414 BTUs per watt. I can always tell my customers with absolute certainty how much heat their electric heater is producing. You get what you pay for with electric heat no matter the type. All 15amp heaters are all the same output. Pick your style based on looks. It doesn't matter. Heat pumps and gas fired equipment are more cost efficient in most cases.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joey Justin says:

    SOOOO I remember this and my comments are still the sans. If a radiant heater draws 1500 watts an hour and puts out 2000 btus and a radiant heater draws 400 watts and puts out 2000 btus then the 400 watt ones way more efficient. AND If you put this in a 2000 cuft room and it heats it to 80 degrees in one hour then it way more efficient

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Randy Havard says:

    The most a 200 or 300 watt heater is going to heat is a bathroom.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars George Gonzalez says:

    You could just run two 100 watt incandescent bulbs. Same amount of heat, plus you get illumination too. For a percent of the cost.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars VE2UM says:

    They attach this RADIATING heater to a WALL ????????

    I let you imagine what will happen to this wall after a few days of use…

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars VE2UM says:

    90 Watts per hour ????

    So after 1 month of use, this thing will consume 65 KILOWATTS ???

    The graphene paste will GLOW WHITE and convert itself into a 65000watt lightbulb !

    …So byebye the super-dooper efficiency ! This thing will waste your electricity into unwanted light !!!

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Soren Kuula says:

    A hundred watts per hour? So, after 4 days, it's gettin' close to 10000 watts?

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jim jimx says:

    What does it mean when you shake your fist next to your face?

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Emil Mc Kellar says:

    Last year I got rid of my parents old Asbestos radiator. It was 40+ years old and still worked. These guys are so full of it!

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Alex Atkin says:

    LOL 190W/hour, that's probably not much more than my TV does to heat my room.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lmw lmw says:

    I just love all their fancy talk that convinces anyone ……………….. that doesn't understand a thing of what they are talking about…!!!

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars BattTube says:

    This is basic thermodynamics and the relation to the conservation of energy.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars gigi gigiotto says:

    hey guys, i invented a more than 100% efficient heater! I will call it "heat pump"

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Illuminati says:

    One additional thing: oil radiators do an infrared radiation you can feel immediately when they heat. All metal bodies emit infrared thermal radiation when heated compared to the environment, which makes oil radiator basically the same (except cheaper).

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars edwin hermsen says:

    Whats the convert program you use .

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sontapää11 Jokulainen says:

    Can someone explain the unit "watt per hour"? Watt is joule per second so "joule hour per second"???!!!??

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Arfonfree says:

    The computer on which I am currently watching your video is (about) a 65 watt radiative heater…

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ethzero says:

    I love Dave's live reaction videos. It's like MST3K for bad engineering projects.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Necrocidal says:

    "Watts per hour"

    Do they even understand the metric system? Measuring power in Energy/(Time*Time) ?

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Necrocidal says:

    Not seen the full video yet, but claiming 80% saving on heating bill??
    Efficiently converting electricity to heat is one of the few energy conversions that we've truly mastered. And trivially too.

    Like, we do it by accident in gaming PCs with 95%+ efficiency. How are you going to save 80% on the energy bill for that without reducing heat output, let alone a dedicated heater?

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Richard Watt says:

    "water-based" radiators – could they have been referring to gas-fuelled central heating systems like we have in the UK/Europe?

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars No Test says:

    It's like an tinted incandescent light bulb. If you have very good insulation and mild winter you could heat your house with Incandescent light bulbs. The metal wire inside a light bulb would burn if the bulb wasn't filled with noble gas.
    Infrared radiation passes through glass. Apparently this thing only uses infrared radiation and not convection. The only real advantage or an oil heater is that it heats the room without causing an air flow within the room, which doesn't stir up dust.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Florian Schneider says:

    Of course, graphene can generate heat without electricity input. You just have to leave out the cladding and heat it up strongly enough. Then a reaction begins in which electrons flow from the graphene to the oxygen in the air without external voltage input and bind it, releasing heat in the process. The catch is that the graphene heating element then only has a limited service life.

  28. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ole Baltzer says:

    I teach (amongst other things) physics for a living. There are so many claims in that campaign that conflicts with everything I teach. I therefore took the liberty to report the campaign to Kickstarter, as I can only see it as a scam. It is quite obvious to me that ether Kickstarter wants their cut of the money no matter what or they have not looked into all the comments that hammers their claims. I still call Bulls**t.

    Here is their reply:

    Hi there,

    Thank you for bringing this project to our attention:

    Project: SOLUS — The Most Efficient Radiator In The World

    Report date: March 2, 2019, 8:17 AM EST

    Report content:

    The product creator’s delivers a lot of very nice claims og their panel being much better than other conventional panels. I call bullshit. I teach physics for a living and it is very clear to me, tha…

    We’ve investigated and determined that it doesn’t violate our rules or community guidelines. If you believe there is an issue that’s not covered by our rules or guidelines, please contact us with more details.

    If you haven’t already, you can also communicate directly with the project creator.

    While we won’t be taking action on this project at this time, we value your input. We rely on reports like yours to ensure the safety and integrity of Kickstarter for everyone.

    Thanks again for looking out for the Kickstarter community.

    Best,

    Kickstarter Trust & Safety

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