A practical demonstration of Lenz's law and back EMF in an inductive relay coil and how to solve it using a Freewheeling/Flywheel/Flyback/Snubber/Clamp diode. Also the downsides of clamping diodes, and switch arcing supression.
Also a look at an AMAZING potential phenomenon you probably haven't seen before!
Actually, two rather cool things you probably haven't seen before.
Along with transistor ratings, transistor storage current, and Collector-Emitter breakdown voltage, there is a lot to unpack in this video.
This is a follow-on from the DC Transients Fundamentals video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nyNamrWcyE
00:00 - Recap of Relays, Inductors, Faraday & Lenz's Laws
02:30 - Relay Back EMF Explained
07:09 - The Flywheel analogy of Inductors
08:30 - Relay circuit demonstration
12:35 - 700V Back EMF!
14:43 - BJT Transistor Storage Time
17:03 - Back EMF Diode clamp demonstrated
19:06 - An AMAZING demonstration!
24:43 - Trap for young players
25:23 - DOWNSIDES of Back EMF Diodes
28:38 - BONUS cool effect of Back EMF diode DEMONSTRATED
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Hi. In a previous tutorial video on Dc circuit transients, we took a look at capacitors and inductors and how they store energy. Capacitors store energy in a dielectric material using an electric field, and inductors like are used in relays. For example, store energy in the magnetic field in the coil and any ferrite.

or you know, high permeability material that happens to be used at the core. And of course, an inductor can be a coil in a relay like this. For example, it could be like a uh, just a like a common mode, or uh, just a regular uh wound choke. Like this, it could be a switching uh transformer in a switch mode uh, power supply, for example.

These are all magnetic inductive components. So we're going to have a look at one of the traps of these. and I mentioned this in the tutorial video. but I didn't have time to give you a practical demonstration.

So we're going to show a couple of traps, one of which you probably haven't seen demonstrated before, which is really interesting. but today we're going to take a look at some practical examples of in this particular case, using a relay and some of the traps involved in this. but it, like I said, it doesn't have to be a relay, it could be a switching transformer. It could.

in a switch mode power supply, it could be a motor, for example, and a similar trap is involved because of Faraday's law of Electromagnetic induction, which we briefly covered in the previous video. But I'll just mention it here again. And basically uh E, which is the electromotive force. Basically, the voltage is minus n is just the number of turns.

If you've only got like a single wire uh, that your magnetic field is around, then obviously n is one and you can take it out of the equation. But it's basically minus d Phi Dt, which sounds complicated because it's differential calculus essentially. but it's not. It's easy to understand D Phi Dt is just the change, the difference, or the change in, uh, magnetic flux over time.

That's all it is. and that, of course, is in Uh. Weber's per second. But we won't go into the details.

Now, as I mentioned in the previous video, the interesting thing is this: why is this negative here? Well, this is Lenses law and lenses Law basically says that the induced voltage is opposite to what actually caused the magnetic buildup in the first place. So if we've got a basic circuit with a switch in Npn transistor like this, obviously you've seen this circuit before. you. uh, put a base current in here.

switches the transistor on acts as a short circuit. Current flows from our power supply through the relay of the coil and the relay activates and changes the contact so that current flows down through there and there will be a minimum uh, like, turn on voltage of the relay here. And here's a data sheet uh, showing that it might be you know, 80 or something like that if the turn on voltage, as soon as it hits that voltage, it switches on and of course you would leave that uh, current flowing through there. If you want the switch position like permanently over here like this, you've got to keep the current flowing like that.
But when you switch the relay off, you, uh, ground this. There's no more current flowing here that really switches off, but the magnetic field built up in this relay coil. It's got to go somewhere. It doesn't vanish instantly.

You can turn this transistor off instantly, but the magnetic field has to go somewhere. And that energy has to go somewhere in the form of current going somewhere through a path or in the form of a voltage that just gets higher and higher and higher Something has to give the stored energy in that magnetic field. Has to go somewhere. Just like if you short out a battery, there's energy built up in that battery.

You'll you know, get sparks and there's a lot of energy in there and you can short it out and the same thing happens with the coil. There's x amount of energy build up and something's got to happen to it. And this is what Faraday's Law of Electromagnetic Induction is about. and in particular Lenses law, Lenses Law says that the volt that the induced voltage in the inductor in in this particular case, the relay coil will the voltage will actually be opposite to what actually produced it.

So when we've got the transistor switched on, of course, the voltage will be positive and negative. Like this, it's flowing through. and of course you know this is our ground voltage reference where we're actually measuring from. So everything is positive in regards to that.

But that's not what happens when we turn the switch off like this, the magnetic field collapses. When that collapses, the voltage will go negative. so this will then become negative and this will become positive. And assuming you don't have a diode like this, this current that was flowing through here like this, it will still continue to flow because the inductor when you switch it on opposes the flow of current.

But when you switch it off, it wants to keep the current flowing. So it's still the current still flows out of here. But the switch is off, so it's got nowhere else to flow. So this voltage at this point here must rise to follow Faraday's Law and Lenses law over here.

So if the current keeps flowing like this, this voltage now becomes positive and it'll rise and rise and rise. In theory, it'll rise to infinity, but of course, in practice, you never get infinites. So where that's what we're going to look at today. What happens when you open this transistor switch? What happens to this magnetic field stored in here? It can really ruin your day unless you put in a diode.

and that's what we're going to look at. You might have heard these called back Emf Diodes Freewheeling Diodes, Snubber diodes, Flyback diodes. There might be other names too leave it in the comments if you've got a scene. a different name for these.
But basically what this diode solves is the problem with back Emf. because when you open this switch here, this current has to flow somewhere. And if it's got nowhere to flow, then this voltage just rises to the moon, right? and you can get hundreds or even thousands of volts as we're going to demonstrate here today. But if you put a back Emf diode in here, the current has somewhere to flow like this.

It flows in there and it stops this voltage rising to infinity and which can blow the So. the transistor that's connected to it can blow any circuit that you use to drive in. And this is why you'll find these diodes actually packaged inside relay driver chips like the Uln2003 for example. You'll find that there's a basically a common Uh terminal for the diode, and there's a whole bunch of different diodes in there.

one for each output. and this is designed. If you're using those eight outputs to drive eight relays, then you need eight back Emf or Snubber or Flyback or Freewheeling diodes. And the reason they're also called freewheeling diodes is because you can imagine that the stored energy in the inductor is like a big flywheel.

So imagine this is a big flywheel that's just spinning and spinning and spinning and spinning like this because you're spinning in this direction because you're putting in energy from the current. It's spinning and spinning. and then when you re when you stop spinning it, you remove the current. The flywheel still wants to keep going, and this is why you put in a reverse diode like this to give it a path so it can flow like that.

And then it'll stop very quickly because you're loading it down and the back Emf diode will of course, conduct all that current, stop the voltage from rising dramatically, and it will absorb all of the energy that was stored in the coil. and it will absorb it very quickly so it doesn't damage your circuits. And this is the importance of back Emf and freewheeling diodes. There can also be a clamping diode as well.

it would be another name and flyback actually comes from. You'll actually find a back Emf diode on the primary side of a switching power supply like this, and you can see inside there is the coil of wire and the two contacts. That's the center. and it's just when you activate the relay, it just pulls this armature across and moves that contact from one side to the other.

Okay, so what we've got is a 12 volt relay. Here we've got a 12 volt power supply. We've got an Npn bipolar transistor, and another mosfet. Rubbish.

It's a 2sc 26r10 and that's important and we'll change that around later to show you it's a high voltage transistor 300 volt rated. You'll see there's a reason for that. I've got a pulse generator over here which just generates like a one Hertz a couple hundred millisecond. uh, pulse like this over and over 50.
Ohm Terminator just for your transmission line aficionados. Then a base resistor 1k and that will turn on the transistor. I've got a current sensing resistor down here, so that lets us hook this up to our scope and look at our emitter current flowing down here because it may actually be different. Well, it will be different.

Spoiler alert to the relay current up here. And I've got another magnetic current probe up here, which is a relay current probe. I just realized I put that in the wrong spot. It it's actually in here so that we can get the current flowing around this when we release our relay.

anyway. And here's our circuit. here. We've got our Omran relay.

You can see it. I've just this. Led just shows which contact. It's just switching back and forth.

clunk clunk. That's our switching transistor. I don't have the freewheeling back Emf diode in there at the moment. We've got our current sensor up there.

and uh, just a few probes to measure the current and voltages. Oh, and I've got another probe off here going off to the collector voltage. Uh, so we can see because this is what we're really concerned about today. What happens to the voltage at this point? and will we blow up our driver? Okay, so I've got it going here.

Switching at a one hertz repetition rate as you can probably hear and that's exactly what you expect. Uh, when we switch on the relay here, this is our input pulse. This is our emitter current. This is in Uh 2 milliamps per division and this up here is our current probe showing it's through the coil, you can see these two match like this.

I can, actually, uh, clean this up because I'm actually, uh, using um, the a high current probe available in the Ev blog shop. By the way, it's excellent. this mixing, uh, current probe here. Great for doing stuff like this.

Not for really low currents like we're dealing with here, but I can fix that by just going into the acquisition here and going into average mode. There you go, you can see that they're practically identical. They've even got that same little blip in there. So obviously the emitter current is going to match the Uh coil current up here because, well, it's It's the same, right? The current.

It just flows down in the circuit. The current through the coil is the same as the current through the emitter here, so you'd expect the waveforms to be the same. That's just my averaging. Again, we'll just go back to sample mode there, so it's just going to be a bit noisier.

So I'll just expand that emitter current there and you can see you might notice. Just ignore this little blip here. This is the exponential rise that we saw in the inductor. When an inductor is not energized and then you put a current through it, your ie.

put a voltage across it in this case, which causes a current to flow. It doesn't change instantly because here's our input: Pulse changes instantly. Our transistor. This is our transistor.
It's switching on instantly, but the current actually through the transistor and hence through the coil as well does not switch on instantly. It follows that exponential curve Like that. It's going to follow that precisely. I guarantee it.

Now, the reason that we're getting this little uh blip in here is because this has to do with the magnetics of the coil and how it's physically starting to do some work. At this point, it actually reaches the, um, what's called the trip current of the relay and then it's it's doing work. It's pulling the armatures. so that's the point there.

where the armature is actually kicking in and then it goes up. But if that wasn't there, if it wasn't physically doing any mechanical work, then if it was just an inductor, just the coil itself, you would get a perfect exponential rise. just as the formula predicts. But all the interesting stuff happens on this negative edge when we de-energize the coil.

So I'll just switch to the negative edge there. And now we can zoom in and have a look at some interesting stuff that's happening here. So as you can see our emitter current, the current through our transistor doesn't suddenly fall because this is our input to our transistor. It doesn't just go to zero like this as you'd expect.

There's actually still a significant amount of time where the current does something. We're only talking 10 micro seconds here. We're not talking much, but the devil's in the detail. So let me actually switch on Channel 2, which is the collector voltage.

So we're looking at the emitter current which is the blue there, the collector voltage which is the green. Now the interesting thing to note with the collector voltage is what scale we're looking at. 100 volts per division 100 200, 300, 400, 500, 600, 700 volts. This is not a mistake.

I am using a 100 to one probe. There's my high voltage hundred to one probe which you've seen in my uh probe video. I've actually done a video actually comparing different types of oscilloscope probes, a high voltage probe and this remember is with no back Emf diode on there and that's what you get if you forget to put your back Emf diode. It rises to hundreds and hundreds of volts.

It could even be thousands of volts. Now, this is actually even exceeding the data sheet value of our transistor. So no, we're not damaging our transistor because there's actually not a huge amount of energy in, uh, this coil. So even if you didn't have a high voltage probe and you hook this up to your oscilloscope which has a nominal like 300 volt peak input, you're still not going to damage your oscilloscope because it's not a lot of energy and it only lasts.

you know, tens of microseconds something like that. So it's not a lot. But this is what happens. The voltage rises.
So if our input switches off here, why does it take like five micro seconds here for our uh voltage to rise and our current to actually drop like this? Well, this is actually a a quirk of Bipolar transistors. It's what's called the storage time and not all data sheets will have it. But here's a data sheet that actually does have it. and I'll show you uh, this transistor in a minute.

And this storage time of Bipolar transistors. It's in the order of you know, microseconds. Uh, it's not long, but it this what's is what limits the switching. uh, frequency of Bipolar transistors.

Generally They actually, um, have this like delay. They actually retain the current in there for a short amount of time. the base current. They essentially retain that and keep the transistor switched on.

It does take some time for them to switch off in this case, about five microseconds. Just be aware of that with Bipolar transistors. All right. So I've stopped that.

So let's have a look at what's going on here. Uh, as you can see, we've got our collector voltage here. It's going up to 700 volts so it's breaking down. So after our delay time there, after our storage delay time, then the collector voltage starts to rise like this.

Right up to, you know, 700 volts a peak. and then the blue trace. Here, you can see our emitter current down here through the 10 ohm resistor. So it's flowing through the transistor because the transistor is broken down.

It's only a 300 volt rated transistor, so we're going to get some flow through this emitter resistor down here. But you'll notice that it that the emitter current ends at the same point as when the transistor when when the collector voltage here starts to go back down. so the transistor's gone. Well, I'm done breaking down.

I'm going to stop breaking down so there's no more current flowing through the transistor like this. But you can see that it takes significant amount of time for the actual collector voltage here to actually decay. It could be like maybe hundreds of microseconds. Even it takes a, you know, it takes a significant amount of time.

It's gone right off the Uh screen there, and that would be due the transistor is not breaking down anymore. That would be due to other parasitics in the uh, breadboard in the physical uh, construction of the breadboard. So what I'm going to do now is put in the back Emf diode in here, across the relay coil and that will conduct all of the current and keep it within here and clamp the voltage at this point to 12 volts plus a diode drop. I can do this safely, even at 700 volts, because as I said, you're not going to feel it because it's a low amount of energy.

Bingo. You see the green trace, which is our high voltage trace. It's dropped down to nothing you might be able to see. Hang on there we go.
What are we at now? Two volts are per division. Two, four, six, eight, ten, twelve point six. That's our diode drop. Twelve point six volts there and it's clamped.

We have now saved Ta-da We've now saved our poor transistor or our driving circuit. Whatever it is from the hundreds of volts peak that we had before. It's now going to clamp at 12 plus whatever. The dire drop could be up to a volt or whatever depending on, you know, whatever.

and that diet can be pretty much any type, just a, uh, fast switching, uh signal diode. You don't need anything more than that because the energy is like it's it's naf. All the area under that curve for like 10 microseconds is nothing so you don't need like a big one in 404 or something like that. I generally prefer to use this fast, faster switching diodes.

That's all you need. So you know, a 914 4148. So that's why in every relay driver circuit, you'll find a back Emf diode, or a freewheeling diode, or a Snubber Diode, or a flyback Diet. And you can see why.

It's called a snubber diode because it snubs the voltage instead of going up hundreds. And you know, hundreds and hundreds of volts right off here. It just it snubs it or clamps it also called a clamping diode. And you don't actually need a high voltage rated diode in there because the act of putting the diode in circuit means that the collector voltage, it will never, ever rise up to those hundreds of volts because the current is clamped through the diode.

Now let me show you something really cool. We're going to make an Rf transmitter. We're going to ruin our day by replacing our high voltage transistor there, which is still breaking down with an even wimpier one. I've got like a Pn100.

This is like a 40 or 50 volt rated, uh, transistor. Let's whack that in there and see what happens. This is really neat. So there it is that's now in circuit and we've got our back Emf diode in there.

So nothing has really changed here except for the fact you can see we're on the same time base 10 microseconds our storage delay here isn't nearly as much, uh, one microsecond there. So because this is a higher speed transistor than that high voltage one we had before, so there's less storage time, but you can see it's doing exactly the same thing. It's clamping at that. Like 12.6 volts there? There it is.

No worries, we've saved our circuit, but let's take out that back Amf Diode, shall we? And ta-da look at that. Whoa. This is heavy. What's going on? In fact, we've got a whole lot of action happening here for ah, a good more than a millisecond look at this.

Um, there's a whole bunch of stuff. If we can't see anything here, we're going to have to actually zoom in to see what's what. and we're just going to take a look at what's happening in here. So the green is our collector voltage again, and that is the interesting one.
We want to look at 20 volts per division. So 20, 40, 60, 80. Oh, you know, 90 odd volts. It's ramping up there after our delay.

uh, time. there of one storage delay of one microsecond. So at this point, the current to our relay is switched off and the voltage starts to rise just like it did before, until the transistor breaks down. It's like it's only rated like 60 50, 60 volts or something, but survived a bit more so at this point the transistor breaks down and basically, um, shorts out.

Pretty much because our car our voltage at at this point has dropped down to zero and the only way it can drop down to zero is if it if it goes through this transistor and is pulled low by this 10 ohm current sensor resistor here. So it's basically the transistor's just broken down. it's conducting. But because it's broken down and the voltage starts to drop like this because it's shorted out, then, well, where's the voltage to continue to keep it broken down? It's not.

The voltage is dropping drastically drastically until the transistor goes. Oh, I've got no high voltage on me anymore. I'm not broken down. I'm going to start up again.

And then it starts up. again. and then again and again. and it oscillates.

We've got ourselves an Rf oscillator at, well, what sort of frequency we can measure that is about 1.5 megahertz. So we've now got ourselves a little Rf transmit. For however many said, like almost a millisecond, this thing is going to be acting as this, like little mini Rf transmitter isn't that cool and you could really come a gutter If you don't put in your back Emf diode, you can actually something like this can start oscillating. And of course the oscillation frequency is going to, uh, depend on like the parasitics of your parasitic capacitance of your breadboard and circuit and other stuff.

And in other cases, it may not oscillate as we saw before, even though the previous transistor broke down. but this one certainly does do that. I'm going to do this live. I'm going to replace the Pn100 with a classic 3904.

They're practically equivalent. I mean, the Pm100 is like a an equivalent. It stopped going and there we go. It's It's similar sort of duration, but and I expect our frequency to change a little bit and hold your tongue at right angle.

Good enough for Australia. Ah, almost two megahertz now, and you can see how that's slowly rising up there. I'm not sure why it's doing that, but uh, the the reason why it changes here. I would imagine that that's actually the physical relay actually.

Uh, you know, moving back. So that's going to make a difference in the properties of the coil. So you'd expect some sort of change there, but you can see it eventually reaches a point where it's going well. I don't have enough, uh, sustaining voltage in the coil in here to actually break down the transistor anymore.
So we're talking 20, 40? You know, 60 something volts. Something like that. energy in the coil eventually drains out, oscillating it like this. You know it's not free energy here.

The energy comes from uh, the magnetic field built up in there and its magnetic field is slowly, uh, decreasing. uh through all this switching and other losses and it just doesn't have enough energy anymore. and then it eventually just tapers off just like we saw before. and because the transistor is not breaking down anymore, we're now getting into uh, just, you know, the parasitics of the breadboard and the circuit actually just slowly discharging that it's just leaking out and that takes you know, 10 milliseconds or something and I can actually fix that off operation If I put a capacitor across the collector and emitter, let me there.

There we go. There's a capacitor across the collector and emitter and it's well doing something else. weird now because of the uh, parasitics of our circuit. So there you go.

I promised to show you something neat you may not have seen before. a transistor relay Rf transmitter? Cool huh? Big trap for young players and if you zoom out to your regular time base to see your thing like you might think, oh, it's just it's just a spike that could be I don't know my like a big inductive earth loop or whatever and you know, yeah, no worries, right? and you wouldn't think anything of it and this Rf. if you don't have the back Emf diet in there, then if you don't actually go in there and check the negative edge of that, you wouldn't know that all of this magic is happening in. There can be hundreds of volts like and an Rf transmitter as well.

a very brief one and that could like couple into other parts of your circuit and really ruin your day. And unless you actually zoomed in there and really had a good look at what's going on there, you wouldn't never know. Now here's the interesting bit and why I've included this current probe in here like this: Normally, the emitter current down here matches the inductor current, but with the back Emf diode installed, you'll notice that we're at 10 milliseconds per division. It takes 10 20 odd milliseconds at least for the orange relay current here.

So this is the current circulating in the back Emf diode. here. It takes much longer for this to actually decay down because the energy stored in there. it can keep that voltage up longer and keep that current flowing.

and our blue waveform here. that's our emitter, our current. It's dropped to zero, but it's there's still that huge delay while that current is circulating in that driver there. This is why it takes longer.

When you include a back Emf diode, it takes much longer to switch the relay off. Now, I'll physically remove that like that. and if I rescale that just to start the averaging again, you'll notice that it's where exactly the same scale as before. But now the relay turns off much quicker.
And just as a brief aside, a back Emf diode like this is technically not the best solution for this. There are other solutions out there, but it's the simplest and the cheapest, and some relays might actually be, uh, polarized. The coil is polarized because if it is polarized then it'll have an internal back Emf diode in there. But technically, um, a backing morph diode like this can actually because the current's actually flowing around here and it can flow around for quite some time.

Then this can actually keep the relay actually energized and it can take longer for the relay to switch off. And in some cases there might be some extra contact bounce or something like that due to the back Emf diode. But of course you've got to protect your circuit so you can't just have nothing in there. but sometimes you can have just a resistor in there.

If under certain circumstances, sometimes you can, uh, put in an extra zener diode like that. That's probably like the best case. Uh solution is then it's going to switch off quicker and you can put like a a varista in there and a like a Tvs like mob type device or something like that, some sort of clamp device. But yeah, back Emf is just your traditional solution.

Cheap and simple, but you've got to know there are technically some downsides. And it's not just the coil either. You may actually want to put a clamp across switches because one of the problems. if you're driving an inductive load, you know it could be a motor or something like that.

With a relay or some other you know, large inductive load, you can actually get arc in across your contacts here. When it opens up, you can get high voltage arc in. It's exactly the same back Emf problem. So you might want to put a clamp across here and you might see this as a capacitor.

uh, resistor snubber. Uh, for example, that that goes across switches. So if you've ever seen a capacitor and resist it in series across like a switch in Scr, or or some sort of switch contacts or something, something like that, you know they're doing that as a clamping solution because inductive loads doesn't matter what it is. not just talking about relays here.

An extra cool bonus thing: I've got my microphone right next to the relay without the back Emf diode. So listen to that. And now. listen.

What happens when I plug in my back Emf diet? I do nothing else. Ready. It's changed. It's lower amplitude.

Listen. Clunk clump. It's louder. Cool? huh? I'll leave uh, people in the comments to figure out why that's happening.

So that's pretty cool, huh? And back Emf diodes? They are a big deal. Gotta have them. Otherwise that Kal pesky collapsing magnetic field and bloody faraday and lens, they're gonna come and bite you. You cannot beat the laws of physics Captain.
Um, that collapse in magnetic field. If there's nowhere for the current to flow through our diode, then well, the voltage must go up. You must obey the formula. I hope you liked it.

If you did, give it a big thumbs up. As always, discuss down below. Catch you next time.

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23 thoughts on “Eevblog 1409 – the dangers of inductor back emf”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Fiott says:

    This was very informative thanks. One question though, relating to the choice of diode: Is there such a thing as overkill? Say I have a 24V DC fan as my load so we are talking about typically a max of 0.5-1 Amp current. The typical diode I was advised to use would be a 1N4148. However what if the only diode I have in hand is an SR5100 (Schottky) which is rated for more or less the same reverse voltage (100V peak). Would this work just as well, or not? If not why not?

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dave Dörenberg-Veltman says:

    I think the same problem is going on in my company's hardware that keeps breaking down. We make mask's for the medical sector and we use a friction welder to make them. They are from a Chinese brand (yes I know before you ask) and the friction welder is essentially a coil. These keep killing the generator driving them or both. Sometimes shortly after installing or after a few weeks.
    I have a feeling that the Chinese manufacturer don't or intentionally didn't include this to protect the equipment.
    I think this video could be helpful to solve this problem only i don't know what value the added component needs to be.
    The generator works at max 2 amp, +-18.000Khz but I'm not sure now how much voltage right now (instructions only states it's working at high voltage).

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars PapaWheelie says:

    Long ago learning to work on elevators I wondered why all the failed relays seemed to also have bad diodes.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Douglas De Boer says:

    I love your series of "fundamentals" videos Dave! This one on "Back EMF" is particularly well presented and enlightening. Top Notch!

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Clive Crosbie says:

    Good. Interesting. It deals with a much overlooked subject, and the comments on flywheel time are good. I liked the demonstrations of the effects of spring energy in modifying the waveforms. I should like to add a little detail however:
    1 – The back-emf at a perfect switch-off would aim for V=I×squroot(L÷C) where C is the total capacitance, ie coil self-C plus stray C. So no infinity, sorry.
    2 – Replacing the perfect switch with a transistor and nothing else will cause the transistor collector V to rise until it breaks over the transistor's collector-base voltage which acts like a zener diode. Like the man said.
    3 – As another commenter has said, a zener diode can be used to clamp this flyback voltage to a value somewhat below Vceo. The higher the flyback voltage (eg high Vceo transistor with high voltage zener) the shorter the flywheel time, because there's a fixed energy in the inductance (plus contact spring etc if present), and the rate of energy dissipation is proportional to this voltage.
    4 – For really heavy-duty flyback limiting. connect the zener cathode to the collector and anode to the BASE. This creates a fast, high-power zener. The transistor must have sufficient power rating, but it beats trying to find a high-power zener.
    5 – I've had fairly large telephone relays driven by unprotected transistors pulsing away for hours on end with no apparent problem, but any reliability engineer will tell you that even a single break-over of the c-b diode permanently compromises a transistor's reliability.
    6 – In 1967 I was required to adapt an echo-sounder for shallow water readings. The instrument used a single audio transducer for transmit and receive. It had a post-office type relay to switch the transducer from the power driver output to the high-sensitivity receiver input. The flywheel time was so long that the bottom echo was not received: it had arrived during the flywheel time. I cured it by omitting the flywheel diode and used the highest voltage approved transistor available to me – around 120V. And this was my first introduction the this kind of phenomenon.
    7 – A factor ignored in this video is current induced in the iron. Some energy is dissipated by the iron core acting as a shorted turn. This effect will actually prolong the flywheel time as it represents a low-resistance, low voltage path just as the simple flywheel diode did. I found this effect with iron-shrouded solenoid valves to completely take over from the electronic circuit at switch-off. They took over ¼sec to close after the end of their drive pulse. This was 1970.
    I'll be 80 on Thursday!

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars L Austin Speiss says:

    I remember learning about 5 years ago…
    The old PSTN phone line is safe to touch until the phone rings.
    The bell coil generates a lot of kick across the line if you’re paying attention…
    If not, you soon will be!

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Vilvaran says:

    For those wondering about the loudness of the relay increasing; it is clearly the microphone picking up a little of the RF mentioned earlier…
    If it was a physical phenomenon, I think the relay would have been louder in the rest of the video…

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars profaneus says:

    maybe the green chan voltage incrase in time (ramp) at 24min is because of thermal thing on the trany?

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars charlie francis says:

    Can you show what happens with high powered subs , multiple 15 inch subs running on 20000 watts, what happens to the EMF ?

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kakugei Ikkikomori-iko says:

    The most interesting part of the demonstration is when lower breakdown voltage transistors were used. I never would have guessed that such a circuit had so much treasure troves worth of knowledge hidden behind such a simple form. Thanks again, Dave!

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jason Key says:

    That's interesting .. why is the relay slamming back with less force with diode in situ.. its electromagnetically braking it but how ?? Diode is shorted out so the coil is shorted out .. I imagine the small amount of residual magnetic energy stored in therelay tip is inducing a current in the now shorted relay coil. Or the voltage is now dropping more steady and slower so less rebounces and just a single relay click. Only one way to find out lol x

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jason Key says:

    Oh WOW DAVE! never seen that before or should I say heard?? Never heard that there's am audible difference!! That's heavy

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rick Pontificates says:

    The flip side of EMF kickback as a problem, is using kickback to dynamically brake a DC motor in a slot machine hopper, for example.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rick Pontificates says:

    That nasty EMF kickback problem that kills coil drivers in pinball machines and FETs in SMPS power supplies.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chris, Just Chris says:

    Higher voltage in the coil induces a stronger magnetic field which pulls the switch open/close with more force changing the amplitude of the relay.

    Just a hobbyist but that’s my assumption.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Astro's Electronics Lab says:

    Difference in sound of the relay without the back-EMF diode is probably due to the huge voltage spike produced when the coil de-energizes.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CHENAKER HAMZA says:

    Thinks so much. I learned lots from you.
    If possible explain magnetization current 10mS of squirrel cage induction motor . And inrush Current please.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Laine says:

    Back in my school days, I used relays to drive motors, and the relays kept breaking; contacts would get stuck. At the time I didn't know why, but it was because I had no flyback diode on the motor coil.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fester Adams says:

    Back EMF can be a valuable safety learning tool. My collage instructors son didn't think a plain 9v battery and a "coil of wire" could possibly hurt him, the shock he received was a very valuable learning experience…

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars RODALCO2007 says:

    Great video and very detailed explanation. The simple flyback diode can saves a lot of trouble in relay driving circuits. I destroyed a 3 phase 25 kVA generator winding by arcing out some old MOT's in a three phase arrangement. as soon one of the MOT's primary winding went open circuit, flames shot out of the generator winding vents. Hindsight, I should have used a load bank in parrallel or a snubber/surge protector across each phase. Expensive lesson learnt.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dan Brit says:

    I think this is the best place to say my most recent vacuum tube build…it's a vu meter the tube is a bar display …well I hook it up and it's maxed out so I add high value resistors and still no change….then in frustration I unplug the audio lines…boom I have a perfect signal and not maxed out dancing away….after some fiddling I found my audio source a blootooth pcb was sending audio thrue the power USB plugs on it threw the other power plug and into the tube ….my build is literally relying on back emf as it's input lol…..I found it cool just thought some one else might too 🙂

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars qnaman says:

    each coil posses such threat- even dc motors. If you stop them suddently while they are feed with high current, then they may harm your electronic.

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Wettroth says:

    Very good. At Maxim, I defined several families of fancy relay drivers for special markets like ATE (little COTO relays) and DSL provisioning (thousands of relays in a crosspoint). A few things that some of these guy do is interesting. 1. They will have all the snubber diodes for the relays return to a single zener that is reverse biased up from ground. Small transistors can generally take 50v, so it was common to use a 33v diode. The ULN200x series part makes the common diode terminal available for this purpose, you can just tie it to the high rail but for better speed, take it to a common grounded zener at a higher voltage- in 5v systems, this could give a 6x speedup. The reason that they like the return to ground is that often the high rail can't sink current (except into bypass caps)- ground is a better sink and probably stiffer. 2. In some critical applications where power dissipation of on relays could be an issue- they would have a two stage switch, it used the full 12v to pull in the relay and a lower voltage to sustain it. I defined some Maxim IC's that did all this- a 12v relay won't drop out until it gets down below 5v in most cases though generally you'd use 3/4 of the nominal to keep the contact pressure high and R low. There are several clever ways to do this if you look at app notes from Maxim and others. 3. The other cool thing is single coil and dual coil latching relays. Telcom guys would capacitively couple small single coil relay to a HCMOS output- when the output was energized, it would send a pulse to the coil in the forward direction, when the output went low, it would reset the relay. A .1 uF ceramic will create a lot of peak current with a CMOS rise time pushing it- you size the cap for the peak current and energy required for a good latch. This is a good topic. I talked to a lot of relays guys, relays are still used a lot but there are few drivers for them- the ULN2003 series goes back to Sprague in the mid 70's. We had some advanced development on MEMs relays, a whole 'nother very interesting topic that you might look at. Your discussion was well presented as usual. Regards

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