Hi Welcome to everyone's favorite segment mailbag. Let's get into it. thank you very much! Christine Coronado from Lab Check Corporation in the United States of America Sure we've had Lab Jack before, right? Oh Spoiler alert there you go I Have no idea what it kind of means though I'm sure we've had Lab Jack on here before. Anyway, they're from Lakewood Colorado I Don't want my viewers in Lakewood Colorado as a few in Colorado a few mailbags from Colorado look we have a note.

Lab Jack hi they have big fan of your show since I going to college and watching your fundamentals Fridays I've been working as an engineer at Lab Jack for 10 years now. been watching since the beginning of you. it's almost 10 years in. April I think April 4th is the official Eevblog anniversary.

Anyway, finally been able to convince some of my co-workers that I'll be good I didn't send you one about I'm sure Lab Jack have sent something in before. could have sworn. Anyway, Bigotry stickers and a stationery bottle opener. What is a stationery bottle opener? Oh I get it Why? it's called a stationery bottle opener cause it's come with comes with screws and you Matt I'm standing on bubble wrap and you just screw it into a wall and then you Oh glass very nice thank you very much Tool holder cuz I don't did I assume that looks like a big loss right? I'm done I Drink beer but oh good t-shirt Thank you very much Lab Tech.

Check it out. By the way, medium or small. No this large rubbish if you are gonna send in a shirt especially none of those American large which is like we address here in Australia anyway I'm dead so what do we got? Lab Jack t7 Pro I have no idea what a T7 probe is got one of the ever useful the screwdriver II pocket things that go in your pocket. this looks like some sort of that looks like a PLC kind of thing.

so so let's check it out. Oh wow, you don't see the Figurski connectors like that anymore. Old school. Ah and they sent the correct USB no this Yankee rubbish they said in an Aussie one.

unfortunately it's not compliant. Check it out. It does not have the insulation on the pins that is technical technically illegal here in Australia don't know I don't got cut past customs. Ah anyway she'll be right.

So what we've got here is an industrial DAC device or data acquisition device and it contains Dax and a DC's and all sorts of stuff. It just like you'd get like the National Instruments our cards are classic DAC cards for example. this one is not only USB Ethernet but it's got Wi-Fi as well obviously so it's a Wi-Fi II duck thing a 429 Yankee bucks which might sound expensive, but for a professional dial acquisition device, its peanuts really and it looks quite the part I like it. Here's some more detail on that: I can leave you two I read it but it's got a Modbus so that can be integrated with larger SCADA systems and things like that.

so it's great for load cells RTDs thermocouples and all the business. And if we have a look at some of the specs here, it's pretty impressive. 14 analog inputs, 16 to 24 bits depending on speed and device type. Excellent expander 84 analog inputs when you actually MUX them all together 16 bit ADC up 200k samples per second or the pro is actually 24 bit low ADC As low as 1 microvolt Noise Noise free.

they're dead. What they're talking about when I Talk about noise free is the least significant. There's no noise on the least significant bit or last couple of least significant bits I Guess but jeez, that's an Ask Software configurable resolution. single ended or differential input.

Fantastic as sometimes you need differential analog input ranges handy. Plus minus 10 and one end point one and 10 millivolt ranges as well Wow Killer low latency sampling and control. Listen one millisecond. Beautiful.

It seems to have all the business 12 bit Dax as well. It's really quite a professional feature set for a DAC system. Yeah! Terrific high speed counters and quadrature inputs and like PWM outputs Wow It's got everything fixed. Current outputs as well 200 My crams 10 micro amps Wow take a squeeze inside I'll just get the Wi-Fi antenna out of the way and there we go that looks pretty jazzy.

There's a lot involved in there Pic32 processor. Let's have a look on the bottom. Got real-time clock of course there. hence the battery.

This is Rev 1.35 Jesus It been through a few revisions of course, which it expect looks like is that some sort of protection job in there? Perhaps right near the input? But yeah, yeah on these sorts of things. Protections a big deal as well. Looks like there are like got lots of serious resistors in there. It looks like they're doing the business.

So yeah, Pic32 process are upside down so all the electrons are going to fall out and we've got our Wi-Fi module. I Don't think I recognized that particular one. Anyway, that's likely our programming header for our Pic 32 micro. For those who want to see, it's exactly what model that one is.

There you go: I Won't go through in detail and read all the part numbers or whatnot. Oh, we've got a oh, did that go to the outside the little micro SD card there probably can. we update the firmware I Got a remote bootloader. Anyway, it looks like this.

lots of ADC and DAC stuff happening around there I Won't go into a huge amount of detail trying to get these parts, but you have a look ad71 90 there and yeah, the other ones II can't decode them properly. A bit of a pain in the butt DG series that would be a MUX switch thingamabob. Another couple of DG series muxes. Stuff like that looks like you got all your records at some diode protection.

on the input clamping. there's a pic, more clamping, more clamping, more clamping. Ethernet Chipset Wow that's a tidy little array, isn't it? What are they doing there and double-sided load. Because they really couldn't fit everything on the one side, it would have made it significantly larger.

All sorts of fused inputs. So I'm sure they've got all the requisite protection on this thing. No worries, don't you hate lead-free solder and how they look like Frosty the Snowman there? But there's nothing wrong with those joints. it's just it's just lead-free solder.

So the hardware looks quite nice and I'm sure a lot of work and revision has refinement. Spit and polishes are gone into getting that down. It's in a yacht. Nice a form factor, but it's for this sort of thing.

It's all about the software. so let's just fire it up and see what's what. and you get a calibration certificate. Beautiful.

Like you've got to specify a temperature to hunt two decimal places. No worries. And oh yeah, they use some HP fish top 2mm and and the calibrator that's like great. that'll should keep the IQ a department happy.

All right. So let's install the software for this thing which I already actually have I've just downloaded. Install the software. downloaded that, no problems I connected it, it connected up.

No problems whatsoever. We got the leads on there and then we run this Kiplyn thing. by the way, it uses the National Instruments our drivers and whatnot. and then we run this Kipling thing and there we go.

scan USB Ethernet Wi-Fi I'm not going to bother hooking up to Wi-Fi at the moment I'm sure sure it works, but there we go. it's found it just. BAM straight off the bat. So let's go run the application software and if there's a log and there's a stream, so oh yeah, here it is.

Hang on. Okay, I just have to type in a file name and there it is and we're logging. Wow Look at that. there was initial amplitude right? so there.

right down it. We must be in bipolar mode because it's a number of channels. Can we just go up? We can just increase our number of channels. Yeah, terrific.

Why we're choosing for there we go I Can just turn them off and that's great. I've got nice signals fading at the moment so you know I I No doubt it works a sampling interval so can you go down to let one millisecond or something like that? Yep. number of iterations? There it goes. Fanta Graph history, change, working directory.

All that sort of stuff. Really, you can write to file, you can just go. Can we? just yep because I put in a file name before it I Sure that when you load up and sure it's is that I Guess it's automatically saving. That is it? huh? And anyway, most of those analog inputs would be on the D connectors of course.

I Haven't looked at the pin outs or anything like that. You've got your other stuff here like your current outputs and things like that. So anyway, can we like Zoom in? How do we zoom in? We can't zoom in. This is very ah see yeah, this is like it's a written in LabVIEW or whatever or lab windows CVI I used to write in lab windows CV I Have done lots of automation.

lots of production test system automation in lab windows. CVI And it's like it's giving you the screen. like literally it's just the big window pane. That's a bit.

Come on, we need to fix that. I'm sure there's a way to fix that. that's a bit amateur hour. So yeah, this is all standard.

like LabVIEW type windows and grass. but we can't seem to resize that and I can't I can't zoom or pan or do here. We go Okay, right? click and auto scale X What? I Scale Y It's not really auto scaling is it? If it should be like down it should be should zoom in Arcis We're not on the right range. how do we change our range scaling equations? You can put the equations in, That's nice.

but I Don't see a place to set up. Not in here anyway to set up. your analog inputs to change your range and stuff like that. It's purely just a login program.

Okay, there's this other thing called stream and it's going really slowly. Maybe because I'm sampling over here, perhaps once a second or something like that, it'll come. Good night. See, it's really jerky.

I Can't have both of these running at the same time. Wow, that's a bit clunky. I can't even I've got its II Can't let me shut down the window. You've got to use the exit over here.

This is like real old-school LabVIEW like view stuff and you can start stream. So I'm not sure what the difference between log and stream is. it's popped up. Yes, this program work correctly.

I Guess scan Log scan reads millisecond per loop. Scan reads so it's streaming to a file. so I don't quite understand I Did I'd have to RTFM Sorry, this is not going to be an in-depth review. I Just want to see that it talks and and it's sampling stuff and it's just floating which is what you'd expect.

Start stream. There we go. so it's doing that, but it's not. Oh okay, that's why our auto scale didn't work before cuz we had the I still can't chain manually change? see the axes down here.

That's a bit disappointing and I can't like just do basic stuff like zoom in. Oh, you've got to understand that these are just like example apps and stuff like that The whole point about these sort of things is that you integrate them into your own production test system so you write your own software. That's why you would use like the LabVIEW interface I Don't know if they have a lab windows CVI They do have a C interface as well under a yes C C++ and it's not native LabVIEW Support: You've got to use their library so the Ljm library there, but who cares, right? That's what you would expect cuz it's not. National Instruments are approved hardware Like you don't use the supplied software, so it's just example.

It's not sure if they supply the source code for the supplied examples or not. it's you know, the hardware's professional and I'm sure the drivers work just fine and I'm sure they'd provide professional level support as well. If you get into trouble actually, you know, trying to implement this in your own test system I Have no doubt about it. So the dashboard.

Well, let's go back to Kiplyn. I Think that's where we set it up Here We go There, we go. we're in like Flynn and device info. Here we go.

This is so this Kiplyn side is in this nice Ah, and there got the direct links to all the example code for C, C++ Labview, Python, Doc, Factory, Java.net Nodejs, and more. Okay, yep, I'm thoroughly impressed. Okay, that's great. Yeah, this it's a professional level support for this thing.

as I said: I should expect a SD card in stores hi high-res ADC in stored real-time clock Wow Yeah, there is that. This is the dashboard for it. Oh, look at that. It's got the pin outs and everything and you can just select.

Ah, very nice. Yeah, that's absolutely terrific. DB 30 like nobody uses DB 37's anymore. That's hilarious.

and DB 15. It's great old school stuff annal and the analog input you can configure. There you go. Here's where you can configure ranges and I'm sure that flows through to the other software and stuff like that register matrix.

Whoa Wow. Wow, this is oh wow. Okay, this is incredibly powerful. Wow filter by tags analog input if you want just the UART stuff.

there it is, you can define all the UART registers settings. Lua Script debugger ADA I'm not into law, but yeah. okay. pair up defaults device updater DAC outputs Well, we've only got the two 12 bit day anyway.

I'm thoroughly impressed that is. Anyway, that's enough for a mailbag. Thank you very much Lab Jack for sitting there. Might be able to use that on like automation test projects.

Shame it doesn't have the a like motor driver like a couple of motor driver channels in it that would have been asking to. Its a data acquisition system, it's asking too much but like a I just need needed. Something like this. would have been perfect for getting the toggle bot back up and running because we've got a new version of the meter with when you just want to test the switches again the 121 GW meter.

And yeah, if it had just a couple of motor driver channels we could have used this for the toggle watt would have been fantastic. but yeah I'm I am pretty impressed by this so far. they but these supplied applications typical. They leave a bit to be desired, they just like slap together LabVIEW stuff.

but in terms but as I said, you're not going to be using those. you're going to integrate this into a production test system and for that it looks like a winner. For your 430 bucks or whatever it was, that's that's pretty good. Thanks Lab Check that's awesome! Hi to all my viewers in Italy This one comes from Ballina Limited or whatever.

It's got Baleen a fin on their large demo E board Sunim Yeah, it's a Raspberry Pi E type board. We have a note hi Dave please find enclosed an early production unit of our carrier board for the Raspberry Pi computer module. We found a lot of people are looking to deploy Rosalie prying commercial and industrial environments at scale and so we've worked hard to create a board which souls the issues face because you might ask why not just use a Raspberry Pi instead of putting a Raspberry Pi computer module onto a board which then becomes over our three pi board. These are the reason why: Wider power range is wider, temperature range is more robust, Physical connectors, Perros that Ethernet, etc etc.

bust around software that the PI does. We added some stuff too, namely a coprocessor Sonico process of what they have on an end. Does the Raspberry Pi ecosystem support a coprocessor less software ecosystem? Support a coprocessor I Have no idea. Real-time clock.

yeah, the Raspberry Pi doesn't have a real-time clock does it? And a mini PCI slot and dual camera support because if you want to do like stereo vision stuff, the regular Raspberry Pi only supports one. So cool! Let's take a look. thank you very much! Chris Crocker white hyphenated last name, go to the other bench. So yes, just to remind, if you are gonna send stuff in, make sure you put mail bag on the top.

Otherwise I could accidentally open it thinking it's something I've ordered. we get the Ballina Finn if that's how you pronounce it. Our board will take a closer look at that. get a funky look in.

it's all plastic I Like how that's got a rubber baby buggy bumper on there that should do see em Put jack and looks like that's just what splits apart. that's just a plastic case. does have a vent hole there but like there's no fan or anything like that to I Keep it going. Not sure the power dissipation of this so you can probably work a heatsink on that maybe.

And if you, well I don't know, it's there. Enough room at the bottom? Yeah, there probably is enough room at the bottom to actually have the heatsink on there I Suspect: Did you get a plug pack with all the requisite adapters? It's just one of those things that plugs on. Let's take a closer look at the board. so it's got the Raspberry Pi hat on it of course.

Nicely color-coded Look at that. Not sure how they've actually done that, but that's pretty neat. I Like it a surface mount fuse over here. Very nice.

Got another one over here. Look at the DC input. you can pair it from a DC jack or a Phoenix type connector molex type connector and look at massive diode protection here. Surface mount fuse in a holder.

Fantastic. More protection, more protection, and that's just absolutely terrific. What you want for an industrial solution: Expansion: I'm not sure what type of expansion header that is. It's got the requisite Ethernet a 2 USB Probably would have been nicer to have more USBs on there.

like twos. you know, a bit limiting. I'm Dutch doesn't seem to have power the ethernet. Let me check that note.

Sure enough, you've got to pull on the power over Ethernet hat. so you've got it. actually. yeah, like waster hat for to get power over ethernet.

Functionality: would have been really nice if that was built in anyway. like not everyone's going to use it. so it does waste space and cost and all the rest of it. but still, that would have been nice.

So antenna down there or the ground? Pauline's pulled back. very nice. and there's our coprocessor. It's actually a sibling can Labs Bgm, Triple One.

As I said I'm not sure how that works inside the ecosystem, but of course you could. It's got its own Wi-Fi things so you could like just a run your own like little Wi-Fi apps in there. So a Wi-Fi related app. so that's you know really what they mean by that coprocessor.

I Think it's not like a you know you can offload all of you like you know you heavy math or anything to this sort of thing. It's like that's not what it's for. It's designed for like application control and stuff like that. so you can run your own little application on there which runs entirely separate to the Raspberry Pi So that's pretty neat.

So Camera Zero there and Camera one and also display as well. And of course, as you'd expect, HDMI and a mini PCI Express slot. that's very nice so you can put some nice storage solutions on there or whatnot. and that's where we plug in our Raspberry Pi Let's whack that in there mating the old dart.

Fantastic! So we're in like Flynn Let's pair it up. So a parrot from the DC Jack six 230 volts input. That's a nice range. I Like it.

We get a 12 volt one-and-a-half amp pack with it. Houston, we have a problem. First hurdle is I got a just pulled a configured SD micro SD card out of another. Raspberry Pi random one I had lying around and went to plug it in and it doesn't go in because that's a nano-sim connector and there is nowhere else to plug it in one.

But then I realized it does have a built-in night. MMC Memory: That's the sandesh chip down in there, but still I reckon that's a huge oversight not to have I'm sure. Not sure why they deliberately decided not to have a micro SD card that's like you can just whip it out of or compatible with any other. Raspberry Pi It just they've got.

They've added everything including the kitchen sink except micro SD card Wow Well, I'll tell you what for the hundred and ninety-nine Yankee bucks that this thing costs are, By the way, it's a complete kit. It does come with a Raspberry Pi computer module, the case, and everything. So yeah, I did want to come already pre-configured and fired up. Let's hope so.

let's plug in a monitor. Nope. Turns out doesn't look like it comes pre-configured I Just get zippity-doo-dah But the thing is the Emmc memory on here with the this little micro USB here. Apparently if you plug in the micro USB it automatically enters a boot programming mode where it turns it into a mass storage device.

So yeah, at least we can get access to it. but still I Think it's just a silly decision not to have a Micro SD card on there so you can just come along and just upgrade the firmware with just a like SD card that's already firmware. the OS You know with the it's not one of these newfangled embedded things. this is like a yeah, full-on PC whatever.

Anyway, I don't think that's a big over so it's nice to have the E MMC memory on there. That's Don't get me wrong, that's nice, but yet. micro SD card please. Alright, so I'm gonna plug this up I don't you might be able to power it through the micro USB but I think it's really just designed for, especially not with all the extra stuff on there.

You know, if you want to take any grunty stuff from it, you should power it from the DC Jack's Anyway, it will have enough power to boot this thing up and get it running. As a mass storage device, it's supposed to auto boot into a mass storage device I'm not seeing any bleep thing on Windows I'll get back to you So here's the page by the way. go in and order it now. Flexible network in real time.

low power capable. Excellent embedded 32-bit arm that's the coprocessor allows maximum power efficiency. A real-time computer in expandable blah-blah-blah-blah-blah Why Ballina? Finn There you go, You can go check it all out and it is very feature packed. But yeah, as I said I've it looks pretty comprehensive.

There's a big manual for it and yes, the schematics are available. Check them out! You can just download those from the github x' here is our data sheet and we'll go in there and we'll try and figure out how to cuz this thing ain't popping up. So go in there and figure out how to get this. Mass Storage Working So then I can download the like a raspbian image and put it on the thing so it can boot up.

It should come pre-configured for 199 buck pack. I Want it out of the box I Want it to just work with you know, recipe and all. whatever. please.

And next open the EMC flashing tool such as it. Sure, What the hell is it Sure to instruct the Fender boot into USB mass storage mode? No out of the box for I Don't want to jump through these stupid hoops I don't care how easy it like everyone knows. Oh oh yeah. I use that sure all the time.

Yeah, Whoop-dee-doo No, this is ridiculous. It should either come pre-configured and work out of the box I have that micro SD card. Well at least they don't buggy you off to some get huh be stupid github things somewhere at least. Yeah.

Select Image download 64. All right. All right there we go. I've got to select the image.

So I'm going to go find a raspbian image or whatever and then select it and we should be able to flash it. Oh I Just remembered that you need to have an imaging tool for a micro SD card for Raspberry Pi Anyway, so okay, you know it. Fair enough still. I Reckon I should have a micro SD card so that you can just mass-produce these things or whatever.

Especially if you've got an array of them or something like that. you know you just want to be able to swap it in now. only twelve hours left. Mmm-hmm Thankfully the torrents gonna be a bit quicker.

Okay, no point. one megabytes per second. Swede All right we select the full image. that was quick, then took a couple of minutes and select drive.

no removable Drive Detected wah-wah-wah-wah Well sorry I'd love to show you this working but I can't get it to work I'm following the instructions. It's like not rocket science. It's like plug it in it says that and instruct the Finn to boot into USB mass storage mode I don't know how to do that I just load the program and I run the etcher program and it doesn't give me like any option to enable it into boot mode I thought it like did it automatically. It's just like I'm trying different us beep odds I simply cannot get this damn thing to boot into a drive so that's actually running sweet now.

and apparently there's like Oh Bella na OS There's an operating system using docker containers. Yeah! I've got no idea. There's a command-line interface. all your geeks can just go absolutely crazy, and they've got like a github with all the bail and a fin like cloud bail on the cloud, examples, and all sorts of stuff, so it looks like it's pretty comprehensive.

It's not just a Raspberry Pi Industrial computer. looks like they've got all their own stuff and everything else that extends that and sorry, this isn't going to turn into a full unreviewed take me ages to, you know, look at all the different stuff on this, and likewise, that coprocessor on there, for example. I'm not sure how you end up programming that, but I'm sure it's all in here somewhere if you check it out. I'm sure.

Anyway, it's very competent. There's actually put a lot of effort into this, and it seems very comprehensive, so it's just a bit pricey. Unfortunately, it's like a hundred and the one we've got here is the I think it's the developer kit 199 U.s. bucks so it's not particularly cheap, but it does seem very comprehensive if you just want the basic board with the aka MMC memory 129 Yankee bucks Anyway, it does seem very cool and you can get in early.

What are they? First order one of the first hundred developer kits now, so it seems quite comprehensive. The only thing missing I think is integrated power over ethernet actually embedded on the board because that but if you don't need it then as I said to just waste board space and everything else but with the wide range DC power import and stuff like that and I think it's missing micro SD card too because if it had a micro SD card I would have just avoided all that hassle I had that probably was the fold of Windows or whatever driver problems or whatever trying to get that Emmc thing running. Anyway, it looks like a very useful industrial. Raspberry Pi computer module type thing to add lots more bells and whistles and like if you're doing dual camera support and doing all sorts of other things with that coprocessor as well, that's really good for like low power stuff.

you can just have it like background running in the that low power applications processor just running in the background handling like just a couple of inputs and doing stuff like that and then it could maybe wake up and power up the main. Raspberry Pi Computer module to do the more heavy duty grunty stuff so it could be very, very flexible. This thing. It's pretty groovy, so check it out.

links down below thank you very much. Tom Ballard from Pits Worth in Queensland. Bloody Queensland. Anyway, oh, it's a high-dive It's a tail light.

it's a tail light. Thought this might be interesting to some. It is a tail prime mover tail light assembly which has failed intermittent problems. White wire is earth.

9 to 32 volts Wow 32 volts. Really? they have like I Thought they had 24 volt. didn't know they're 32 volt. Anyway, Brownies tail lights Lifting dog Interesting.

Know how and why? Seems like a hell of a replacement for three incandescent bulbs. Why would it be like it's not even a lid one? Um, yeah, it's not even a later one. It's just a ball-based one. Oh no, it is lid base.

Sorry bulb. Oh okay. Seems like hell of a replacement for three incandescent bulbs. You're probably that's what Tom's talking about.

Okay, yeah, there is Oh Actually this. Yeah, this looks more interesting than the same sets. Take a squiz. So here's the tail light that Thompson in and as you can see, it's rather rather interesting.

They've actually conformally coated. You're good. a lot of it, but it's really uneven. Look at the patches up here where there's no conformal Kate You can tell by the shine on that and then the tops of the components aren't I conformally coded either.

I Mean, if you're going to do that, they do this for moisture. Of course, it stops up moisture. like forming on the board and getting between the pone and components and causing leakage. And you know, contaminated.

And then it contaminates with dirt and gunk and everything. And then things take any low-impedance and they start effectively are shorting out and ruining your day. But what? Like they've effectively got a pudding box here. So why I Would have just like potted the whole blinkin lot in one big solid potting compound.

or at least re interval potting compound or something. But yeah, curious. Let me get this outer plastic bit off. You can see the LEDs down there.

They're interesting little four terminal job is and it's curious how they've got these. are these lenses? Like really, usually you'd have them like right on top. you can see that they're actually domed underneath to sort of focus and then sort of disperse that on the top of whatever you know, the optical mechanism. air.

So I think we've got the convex on the bottom and then just flat on the top even though it looks concave. I Don't think it actually is. So yeah, it's just interesting how far they've got those off there. but if you look down in there, you can see how it actually magnifies that so it makes it look like a larger individual dot.

Alright, let's look at the red wire up and the white 12 volts which is supposed to be the brake lights. So oh jeez, that's pretty look. was it hang out? Well yeah it's climbing and like a couple came on first. Why is it like climbing like that? Wow that's that's.

weird. Like you would think that it would just like, come on. Yeah. I think that's one sick puppy.

She's still climbing. This is not. This is just kind of eventually like burnout or something. or is that normal I Don't like does that like know cuz brake lights aren't there.

They're either on or off. really. So I'm not sure what the deal is that. That's very strange.

Oh there we go. There we go. We have we stopped. No.

No. Doubt's client has decided to climb again. That is bizarre. No, no, we're going back down.

I'm going down. It's a magic smoke escaping from something. Don't smell anything and they're just going to switch off. I you watching? Will we get like those two that just had like the threshold that we saw before this? Like what? Here we go.

they're going dim dim. Yep, yeah. Some are brighter than others. Whoa.

wait look at that whoa pulsing. Oh wow. yeah, that's one sick puppy. So let's try the brown wire that lights up the lid.

my red ones too. At near half an amp, it seems fairly consistent. Let's try the green. My should light up yet lights up the other side.

I've got our yellow and well, okay, try both. There we go. total and there's a back. We just got some surface mount resistors on there.

They're all just wave soldered on. no workers. Let's have a closer look at the circuitry, but there's nothing intelligent going on here on this microcontroller. Rubbish.

Okay, what we've got here is a 3406 tree. Absolutely classic. I've done a very early video on that that's a just a switching controller and there's the coil down there for that and the driver transistor as well. So they used doing that externally and we've got the two driver trends over here.

one for this side and one for the other side. that'd just be doing the constant current thing and triple five timer for the wind, thank you very much I don't know what that's doing, maybe some sort of blinking capability, but I thought these tail lights like use external bimetallic blinkers. That's what I thought anyway I don't know anything about car or truck electrics or whatever. so yeah I really don't know.

it looks a bit. how you doing around here is someone had a hack at this? I don't know. Looks pretty ugly, but yeah there's not much to it. it's just gonna have a constant couple of constant current drives there.

So why it's going funny I don't know and in a mailbag I'm not even coming and troubleshoot this, but that's that's interesting I like how the you know that they've use the and big bulbous lens on the top there which then mates up with another convex lens on the bottom of that and then a flat thing on top I don't think the optics are quite fascinating on that anyway. I'm not sure what these are doing. Do they like little? They point inwards to some lens mechanism on the other sort of lens mechanism on the top. They just seem to light up as part of this.

I Think they're all the same array, aren't they? So Hey sure the deal is. Anyway, that's interesting. thanks Tom and Tom Dude question are the reliability is something like this, but it seems to be quite a rugged design and construction. Don't mind it at all.

But as I said, I would have completely potted that whole thing. Not just you not just pour some conformal coating over the top. that's that's pretty piss-poor if it there, and so luring leaves a bit to be desired considering that this whole thing is supposed to be wave soldered. you can see all these a wave.

Sold it over here at Leas. Someone's had sons had a hack Eric and someone's had a hack at this. Don't get post my cards much these days delivering memories with that circuit. What's that gonna do? Anyway, it's from the Chaos Computer Camp Chaos post awesome so it doesn't actually say cures from it, just says from the Chaos Computer Camp I'd love to go I Was invited once but unfortunately it's like on just after Christmas time and for those who don't realize like it's like in Germany somewhere and it takes like 24 hours just in flight time.

more like by the time you get transfers like 30 hours and then by the time you get to and from the airports and to and from the destination and and you lay overs and and waiting at the airport a couple of hours before it's like 60 Plus hours. you just in travel time to get to this and back. So yeah, 60 hours? that's like one of the half working weeks. Thank you very much.

Matthew Liberty now you don't salute Liberty Do you in the Indian United States of America thank you very much I actually know what this one is and it is a Kickstarter and I guess kind of disclaimer: I suppose is that I'm actually designing not an identical product but pretty close to it. So yeah, aren't there just a disclaimer there I don't know why, but I guess I don't know. Some people might think I'm prejudiced or something because I'm going to don't ask when mine is going to be available to go. Okay, it's I don't know so don't even ask Anyway, it's a Kickstarter thank you very much.

It is the Joule scope. Yes, it's a microcurrent like thing, but a more advanced microcurrent like a USB one that can do I Doesn't that look nice? Wow Hang on. No, they don't screw. No, it's just banana plugs, but it comes with different adapters anyway.

Joule Scope: It's a USB microcurrent type data logger type thing. It's got over from memory. It's got a couple hundred kilohertz bandwidth and yeah, it allows you all auto-ranging and allows you to. um, yep, there's the different adapter II things and stuff like that Anyway, I'm yes.

so I am working on a very similar thing. All right, let's take a look at it. It looks cool. Even got a Stanley Torx driver to go with it Oh Beautiful So we can open it up and replace the front panel.

Cool. Is that a piece of a PCB front panel? Not sure we'll find out. So here is the Joule Scope by Jet Perch. It's the Jas 110 precision DC Energy Analyzer Joule Scope Calm.

As I said, it is a current Kickstarter which has raised I Think about a hundred and fifteen thousand Australian dollars of its 98 thousand Australian dollar goal Something like that I'm just working at Ozzie buck sorry, that's what you started tells me and it's eight. Basically a USB interface energy analyzer. So it measures our current and voltage. Of course you just feed in your power supply to your device under test your product and out and it measures the voltage and current and can hence calculate power and basically samples that we thought to.

It's got a fourteen bit to mix sample per second isolated because it's got to be isolated you can't and be connecting to you out power into your USB ground over here. That'll ruin your day I'm It uses the same max 42:39 op-amp that are using the micro current of course, but yeah, it still has that noise spike around 11 kilohertz. It actually varies quite a lot because it's actually a chopper amplifier, so it's got a chop at a particular frequency. Anyway, yeah, bandwidth is a couple hundred kilohertz I believe for the to make sample sample rate and this is a beta unit.

It's currently going for five hundred Yankee bucks on Kickstarter which is quite expensive for basically and ATC in a box, but it's the ADCs like a two week sample per second 14 bit converter is probably like a you know, thirty forty dollar chip on its own. you know, real expensive precision parts no doubt used in this. Just like even the microcurrent. as simple as it is I'm like I've got resistors in the micro cart that are like two dollars fifty US for one resistor, one shunt resistor like and that's in volume.

So yeah. anyway, it's going to have a retail price of $7.99 Yankee bucks. which is, you know it's getting up there. but that's not hugely expensive for a commercial product which is obviously intended to a be.

And yeah, they started at 399, but they're actually sold out, so it's currently $4.99 on Kickstarter seven days left. If you want to get in on it, let's check it out. Now, the issue with trying to measure product current consumption? Let's say you have your little doodad new Internet of Things Wanker II gadget and you want to measure its current consumption well. It likely has a sleep mode which you know down in the microamps or even lower and then it you know wakes up periodically or some event or whatever or it has like and it might not only wake up and then draw millions but then it might have a Wi-Fi thing which can then draw hundreds of millions or even amps.

So it the problem with the microcurrent and any measurement device is one of dynamic range which means that yeah, like you can't have just a single shunt resistor and then measure even micro amps in the presence of amps and get any sort of resolution down at that micro amp range you need like a 32 bit ADC which is just not possible. You know it's ridiculous. So you've got to have a range in and this one does auto range in which as my new version of them I Eventually my new product I'm working on is gonna have the same Auto ranging. but auto range is not magic because the if the processor is in sleep mode for example you're going to get resolution.

Let's say you know draws a micro amp or something. Oh oh open Oh got my lower on the side would be mooned. There we go. Oh isn't that nice? No.

I yes the there's the isolation. That's pretty neat isn't it I like that? so I'll just leave it there. Well discuss this for a minute. So if your products consuming a micro amp and you want to measure that, you know reasonably accurate ease Acuras agonal accurately you want ain't like it.

you know, add a couple of decimal places on that probably like you know what three knife did you meet a resolution or whatever on that Then right, you've got to have a shut resistant like a 1k shunt resistor. For example, a 100 ohm shunt resistor That then when you you know use some like times 10 or maybe even times 100 amplification. You can get decent resolution on that one microns. But the problem is, let's say your shunt resistor is 1k.

Then when your microcontroller just suddenly wakes up from its sleep mode and what's to draw a couple of hundred milliamps, Wah-wah-wah-wah a hundred millions through a 1k resistor shunt resistor to measure the current. That's a hundred volts. Your power supplies only 3.3 volts. It doesn't have a hundred volts to drop, so the voltage on your product drops to zero.

Even if you use a hundred Ohm resistor not good enough, it's still going to drop 10 volts at that hundred milliamps. You know, a 1 Ohm resistor is still going to drop a hundred millivolts point one that may not make your product drop out, but then you can't get the resolution down at the lower currents, so you've got to use. well, you don't have to. Oh there we go.

Look at that. That's very neat. There we go. We've got a header on there.

It's two point one each header that works. Where are we considered this one for the new micro supply actually? and I'm sure maybe I've done a video on it. Not sure. Anyway, this sort of pin solution to go to a front panel.

That's exactly what we're going to do on the new micro supply. but we actually win away from that in the end for various reasons. But there you go. That's a neat solution.

I Like that. and I haven't seen these before? Well, they've got two millimeter. They're four millimeter banana jacks with like a shroud it. I've already shrouded once with a two millimeter soldered pin on the back.

That's really interesting I don't think I've come across those I rather like those except that they're not binding posts which is really annoying. I'd Love to see binding posts on this product and why you need the formula metre insulated plugs on that I Don't know much, would have preferred binding posts, but hey, the good thing is is that we can change the board and we do actually have different boards like this one. For example, we can just plug it in and bingo you can measure your USB power consumption. Isn't that neat? No worries.

Anyway, back to the auto-ranging thing. Auto-ranging is a problem because a your circuit has to detect that current and then switch fast enough before your product under test actually has time enough to drop out before that voltage becomes an issue and starves your product of current. And if you don't have enough bypass capacitance either on the output of this which you shouldn't really have, or on your cut, or on your product under test that you're trying to measure, then it can drop out pretty quickly. Like I can drop out in microseconds.

you know, hundreds of nanoseconds. Something like that if you don't have enough bypass capacitance and it suddenly goes from drawing a micro amp up to an amp. Wow that can ruin your days. So ultimately, there's no magic solution for this.

Just try and switch. autorange your shunt resistors as fast as possible. But ultimately, there will be some products where that simply is not a solution. So unfortunately, you got to do like manual.

You know you really have to do it manually by setting a manual range and then forcing your product into one mode, then forcing it into another. You can't sort of measure it dynamically. So yeah, there's always limitations there. but apparently this can switch.

and I think it's like a two microsecond. Yeah, under overflowed two microseconds. There you go tells you, and switches ranges on overflowing under two microseconds to ensure the target device runs unhindered and hindered. And then, if it is true auto-ranging you've got the issue of hysteresis.

And like switching back and all that sort of stuff. You don't want it to like the range in to oscillate and and things like that, if there's like little dips in the dropout or whatever, it's it, you know it's quite a difficult problem to solve auto-ranging So yeah, I wouldn't expect this to get it right for every product. You mean I guarantee you there will be products where this can have the world's best auto range in for this sort of thing and you're still gonna find products that is going to be an issue with. Oh geez, I Really need to take a high-res photo? Maybe I'll do it.

It's like a take a high-res photo and then we can zoom around this baby in in software editing. That might be easier. All right. So let's have a look at this.

There's our In XP processor there. There you go. It's upside-down so all the electrons are going to fall out and that's doing all the USB streaming and comms and everything else. Then we got something else down here.

What's this ice? What is that? Oh, that's a lattice semiconductor that looks like a CP OD Anyway, it looks like we have an interface here that does some data and stuff like that. That's on the PC side of things. Now this is interesting. One thing which I Don't know if this has, but you would probably want to add to a product like this is a synchronization with your product under test.

So a synchronization with a digital signal. This doesn't have any digital inputs now. It's got some generic ones over here, but these are on the not. They're not on the product side.

They're not on the isolated side. They're on the PC side of things. So yeah, so you could. It maybe add some functionality there, but it's on there.

It's on the wrong side of the force. Unfortunately, it looks like we've got a trace in put it there, programming debugger header and all that. That would be an NX P head. Oh, we've got another lattice part over here, so is that one of those mini FPGA is the Ice 5 LP - yep, that's one of their Ice Cube ultra low density FPGA design.

Get more for Less blah blah blah. All that sort of jazz. So the neat thing about that is it's available. You know, you know, a recently usable package.

Now that BGA Rubbish. Although you've got them, you've already got the BGA over here. So you know you pay that assembly Penry there. You might as well pay it everywhere else now.

What am I what? I'm interested in here. So this is obviously doing like data formatting to go across the isolation channel here. What? What isolator are they got There you go. Think of the Silicon Labs 86 and that's the low-power six channel digital isolator that does 150 megabits per second.

So more than good enough. We're only doing well. No, we're doing two Meg samples per second of samples per second. So you've got to multiply that by however many bits.

in this case, 14 bits conversion. So you need a 16-bit word there. so you're going to multiply the to make samples by 16. so it's got 32 Meg bits per second across that little channel there.

So that's why they're doing some like formatting inside the FPGA There, they're just doing some dah fast data formatting because you probably can't ID n in some buffering as well. Probably doing some buffering and stuff like that and then the micro might read that very slower, right? I Don't know something like that. Anyway, we've got a STM thirty-two micro on the low side that'd be doing I assume all of the auto-ranging I Have no idea if you can do this manual or auto range I Like to choose manual range or not, it might just be all automatic all the time. Ever browse around I Like it.

I Don't prefer doing this on the PC Now it's just nicer than trying to do it on camera and set the angles and do everything. Take a nice high res photo and you can just you know, you just pan around until the cows come home. Anyway, What I'm interested in is the shunt and switching. So if we go over here, here's our input connector here and these are obviously big-ass MOSFETs Don't even need to look up the number.

You can tell by the pin outs how they shorted all the pins there, showed all the pins there and they'll have one for the gate drive so that's a MOSFET So I can see our shunt resistors right away. Okay, so let's have a look at what's going on here. Here's our first shunt resistor and this looks like I think like I thought that was 10 I think that's actually 10 milli ohms shut resistor and that's this. MOSFET here is the one that's I actually show why you'd need to shut that off you wouldn't need.

oh sorry, no, it's going at the positive side. Okay, so that's enabled all the time and then you've got the 100 milli ohm the point: 1 ohm shunt resistor here that is not a 4 terminal job' like I have on the micro cart. neither of these are for terminal jobbies and I don't see any Kelvin connection coming off there. so they've got an unpopulated make me thought they needed something not as 100 milliohms the capacitor is going to do now.

fall there. That's why they left it off. but we do have here's a 1 Ohm shunt resistor up here and these would be all like 0.1% jobs. Something like that because there's two ways to do it.

You can either build in the accuracy into the resistors or you can calibrate it later. It's six and one-half dozen. The other depends where you want to spend your money. Do you want to spend your money calibrating the thing? or do you want to spend the money behind the good resistors so you don't have to calibrate the thing and right? So they're tapping that off and that's going to the max up 42:39 over here.

or 42:38 Yeah, they got the higher bandwidth. so the 2:39 I think as the higher bandwidth one and then that MOSFET there shorts out the hundred million wear. Yeah, it gets rid of. No, it gets rid of the top part so they're shorting out the top parts of them so it shorts out.

But the top stream I mean so yeah, that one there because we're still in, you know, reasonably high current territory. So we need a grunty - grunting MOSFETs There and there we start getting two more little pissant MOSFETs here. Surprise. don't use all the same they're actually, but they've actually used another two of one type, then another two of another type.

And then we've got our other shunt resistors here. So this would be one Ohm. They said they're obviously going up decade so this would be ten Am hundred Ohms and 1k shunt resistor. And then they've got another Maxum app up here.

So it looks like yeah, they permanently measuring. looks like they're permanently measuring across the bottom shunt resistor. anyway. I'm not going to analyze it until the cows come home, but yet that's exactly what I expected to see.

except I expected to see maybe some four terminal more expensive four terminal shunt resistors on there. and I don't see it, especially for the price. As I said, like you know, you can pay three four dollars for a single. you know, a good shunt resistor for terminal shunt resistor.

And they got lots of miscellaneous amps and stuff happening around here, so not sure what the deal is there. Lots of you know I'm not going to go in, this is just a mailbag. Geez, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna go to town. What do we got here? And these are your comparators over here Because to do your auto-ranging you've got to have the comparators to be able to set the thresholds where you want the auto-ranging to happen at.

So this is actually doing auto-ranging in hardware. which I'm surprised it's not quicker than the two microseconds then in hardware, but you know I that was one of my questions. Is it doing this in the hearties are doing order Agent Harbour software? It's did. There's I don't see any reason to have the comparators there if you weren't doing it in hardware.

Anyway, this design looks pretty Jersey looks like it can do the business. So obviously our ADC is in here somewhere. Where is it? You know? are we gonna have a nice voltage reference and there's gonna be where's the 14 bit? ADC Where's Wally? I Reckon well he's got to be one of these Ti jobbies here. It's obviously like a serial output 1 2 megabits per second serial output.

So anyway, that looks sad then. pretty good. And Matt's gone through lots of design iterations. it's been 2 years working on this.

Lots of design iterations. Shows some like prototype development photos on the Kickstarter which is really good. Yeah, a very professional-looking board. very professional-looking campaign.

I'm gonna pair it in see if we can get something. Won't be an extensive review. I Just want to pair it up and see what the software's like. Well that was easy.

Check it out, don't drivers to install? They just plugged it in, downloaded the software which is available for Linux and Mac as well as Windows I Think and bingo. We've got the multimeter interface and it works. There you go, it's updating of course. all these digits are I believe I Think The specs for this are 1.5 nano amps resolution.

So the resolution, so all of and so basically everything. Every legit. After the decimal point, there is useless. So five useless digits on the nano amps.

It's just. you know. Yeah, come on. Anyway, we've got current, voltage, and power and energy over time and we can reset our energy.

It's just accumulating there as you expect. 56 Pico joules. There you go. And why is it got an accumulating thing? It's already accumulating? Not sure there.

Anyway, our device. Wonder if we can have more than one and we're multimeter default? So let's go into a Sillas Cope default and whoa, what your that? Wow, that's fast updated then can I? Yeah I can go fullscreen on that. Wow, that's pretty joke. Hey there we go.

Yep, that's all 50 Hertz pickup and crap and it's ranged right down. so that's why you seen all the noise and crap like that. So let's get some piezo electric effect. Boom and boom Boom.

You see it on the current on the top, current on the top voltage on the bottom. That's that. That Axe is. whoa.

Oh yeah, a different response there. So that's yeah. there's a god-like triggering. It doesn't seem to have trigger him.

Not that like I wouldn't have expected. It just occurred to me because I'm doing like a Sillas cofunction. I Thought we could have like a software trigger and it can stop sampling. That would be nice.

Anyway, it's not there by the looks of it. and and here we go. We can actually order a manual range by the looks of it. Yep, ten EPS flat line and at once again, yeah, here's where it shows you.

Check this out. This is where it shows you. Let's say we went to a hundred 80 milliamps right? which is a reasonable range. Let's look at what the? Yeah, it's Auto Skate.

Okay, so it's um, if it went higher it. oh it's just auto scale in the graph. it's Auto scale and the y axis. So it's not like it's going to a hundred and eighty milliamps.

It's look. eight hundred micro amps there. it is. So the noise is like we've got like 200 microvolts of noise down there.

So imagine if your product was in sleep mode during yeah, if was drawing 200 micrograms, that's a ridiculously high sleep mode. You know it might be in the order of 20 my cramps. You know, like you know, tens of my cramps tops. You can't measure it in a hundred and eighty milliamp mode, right? With a fourteen bit converter, you can't do it.

This is why you need Auto ranging and or you know to manually arrange things and then force your product into different ranges and stuff like that. What else we got? Let's have a look. What does that automatically are right so can change the auto. Right There we go and change the huh? What have we done there? Why are they separating like that? What? Oh, that's the old.

That's our time base. Okay, I'm using the mouse. the scroll wheel. I'm using the scroll wheel there.

Yeah, that's got to be. Surely know what's yeah. There we go. Oh sorry, yeah.

the X-axes there. It doesn't. It's not labeled I Don't see the XS Oh Okay, we've got our nice cursory things. I Don't see the x-axis being labeled there.

It's like 8.4 What? Like? All right? I Don't get it. What's what's going on there? 14 seconds? yet? that's okay. So we're now in seconds because it'll take should take you know, 14 seconds to get most the way across the screen. 15 seconds.

they're not display it. That seems silly. Anyway, we've got voltage ranges 5 volts or 50 volts. So you know if you're using a 3.3 volt thing then you'd use your 5 op range just to get extra resolution.

But voltage is not the thing here. Like it doesn't matter. You could use an 8 bit converter for the voltage and like me, who cares. or Indian a 10 bit or something like that if you want to gild the lily is no need for like a 14 bit converter for the voltage for example.

So because you just don't care. currents? What? The thing? you want to measure over the massive dynamic range over like the eight different ranges that we have here. How many ranges 2, 4, 6, 8, 7? Well, we can turn off the current. Sure why you want to turn it off, but okay, fair enough and it we turn it off and it's It's just giving us still our noise.

So yeah. 18 micro amp range. Hang on. I've changed ranges I've changed ranges and we get in.

I've gone down to the ATM icrap range and we still get in noise like that I Still don't know why that's coming together like that. What's Gil What's what's going on here And of course we can just instantly stop it. Oh no, How do we start again? Record Button: No what's a Joule Scope Data uses its own data format. Can you like export and stuff like that and I'd say export I'd want to export my data to XLS Gees device Joule Scope Currents Raw Okay, that's what time to come back.

Why did that come back after all the time? Yeah, we can. But yeah, and that's what's in the Joule scope file format. so it's certainly not. XLS does look like yeah.

Save your data and if we stop it, we can't select data. Oh yes, yes, yes, we can't Can we select? Ah, that's that. Zoom in. Okay, there we go.

Sure, Why is having the different colors? That's as close as we can see? Oh wait. let's zoom in Any more than that. Okay, but we can't export the raw data. Hmm, that's not good.

Anyway, look oh look, look, we can jump now. Jump to voltage-current mori display. That's kind of cool. Current-voltage Okay.

and then we can have power graphs. That's that's. pretty flexible. like that single value display.

Okay, neat Developer: Oh, we can get all the developer stuff iframes, em frames, Example: hmm I Just noticed it took actually a long time like tens of seconds before I Press the play button here before it actually popped up anyway. And the developer edition actually comes with comes with these little uh, little demo board. Got a little processor there and a little power supply that you our from a microUSB and this allows you just to demonstrate this. So look, we're getting 3.3 volts so obviously and it's drawing.

you know, near on. 20 micro amps there. So let's bugger off out of the multimeter and have a look at our current there. Yeah, where's L ah sorry where? I Let's all it.

Let's auto arrange our current shall we? 5 volt range C 3.3 I Don't like that. it just shows you. yeah Susan the noise there. it's guide to silly.

um let me see if I can get something from here cuz I'm not getting anything on the car. our amps okay, for some reason it's not. Oh, there we go. Yeah.

I think this software's a little bit. that'll be buggy. there's something going on there anyway. yeah um, let's oh.

why does it Once again it adds those that must be like is that a peak function or something? What? What's going on there? I don't I have to RTFM on that one? Wow Okay yeah the audio range is just it's all over the shop. It would be nice to have like a trigger and then you can capture an event, but it looks like you might have to manually do it because I don't see any other ability here to do that so that's a bit of a shame. Okay, press the Arduino reset button apparently and it will. I'm pressing the Arduino rig up.

Yeah, it's flushing, it's flushing. but I don't see any other action going on there. So there we go. Eh, There we go.

there we go. This is the this is the one used in their example. Yep, okay there we go. So to slow time base so we'll just yeah, there it is.

so current. Milliamps. So this is not right. So it's auto-ranging back to the micro amps there.

And if we push the Arduino a reset button, it's gonna take sometimes a flushing. it's not flushing yet. Here we go. One flush.

No, no, yeah, there it goes. there he goes. So just you know it works. Yeah, it does the job, but like the software I it's maybe there's a few little quirks in it.

it's not as full featured as I like, but it's open source. It's not. The software is all open source and the the hardware is not open source. But the software and the files for the front panels and stuff and things like that are though.

So yeah, it can kind of do the business so needs some spit-and-polish but this is a complicated product. There's a lot to do in the software if you really want to I really want to make it polish. but there you go. That's the jewel scope and it does.

It kind of works as advertised. Once again, this is not a large dynamic range here. This is like milliamps. This is like, you know, eight-eight milliamps down to tens of micros.

It's not a good example showing the massive dynamic range. This isn't a review. Iowa So I won't go and set up. You know, a demo.

A better demo than this and no see. it's jumping to 600 my cramps right? So it's jump from 600 my calves state. Milliamps: You can just do that on one arrange. So these red traces here.

these are actually the min max and yellow is the average. I'm not even sure you can actually view the raw data. Maybe there was there a raw mode option? Anyway, it's completely buggy. I Don't understand.

Look the yellow live data is down there. Okay. I've manually set the range to 18 milliamps and yet these the red tracers are up at 60 plus minus 60 micro amps of Y This is absolute insanity I Don't even know why you can if you can turn that off or not and so I'm fixed range now I fixed range and I can't I Don't see how you can fix the axes either right? So we've captured our data, but look the min max like stop, stop like. look at the me, look at the maximum there right? I'm on the 18 milliamp range.

Noise is not going to be like I I Can't see the noise actually being like that. and if it is that much like say some you know 3.4 million milliamps up to 3 point 8 milli amps. If you're noisy is actually that high. why can't we see it in a live view and I just don't believe it because like look at all these these Peaks up here like this.

like and then the air is showing the average I don't I just don't like the way this thing operate. this software operates. that's just wrong. That is wrong.

So and then okay, okay, there might be that much noise there, but we can't see the live data so I'm not sure how that works right? There's no option to say average is their device waveform gradec So me: Okay, so I can disable our min Max trace width. Okay, so we can get rid of our min max. That's better. Okay, that's less confusing and is it doing like a rolling average? Are there we go.

They're we getting our spikes. That's better. Now the confusing min/max crap