Hi, let's take a look at buying an electric car, shall we? Because I get asked this all the time Dave Why don't you have an electric car? When are you gonna buy one? They're fantastic, when are you gonna get a Tesla, etc etc. I've actually done a video on this when was the assist was back in April were 2018 so that was a while back about her how much it cost to buy a Tesla in Australia and we'll go through it again because it's an interesting topic. And look at this that the sales statistics that show electric car surge is underway in Australia Whoa, It's happening and made a terrible year for new car sales. There is one clear bright spot.

that's category of Australia has long-legged in sales of hybrid, electric and electric vehicles doubled in the first six months of 2019 compared to the first six months of 2018. even as new car sales fell eight point four percent. Look at this like doubled in a year. It's happening.

I'd better get an electric car. Well yeah, let's take a look at it. I we are actually considering an electric car at the moment. we're or a hybrid Anyway, we're looking to upgrade Missus Evey Blogs Car which is our big car that we use for going on trips and you know long trips and stuff like that's shove the kids in and the bikes and all the luggage and everything and we can go on trips and we're considering maybe a hybrid for that.

and I've always considered an electric car as well at the moment. I Drive A What is it a 2014 used Toyota Corolla It's a great card. Cheap, reliable, and yeah, does the job gets me from A to B Anyway I'd Love an electric car, but let's go through the practicality of electric cars in Australia Now this is different to other countries like they mentioned in this article which is just fairly recent. It's this month they mentioned Norway of course 58% of new car sales in Norway are electric.

Whoa. Fantastic. like I Love electric cars I would want one, but we kind of see. look at the practicalities of Australia forgetting an electric car.

and of course, these a lot of these countries, they will subsidize electric cars Australia doesn't do that. which is why we're going to take a look at the pretty horrific situation it is in Australia to buy an electric car at the moment. So this sounds are very promising and I'm sure it's going to go up from here, but it's not gonna sigh. Don't think in 2020 it's going to suddenly go up by an order of magnitude and we'll see why fairly shortly.

So let's have a look. In fact, if you go over to plug-in electric vehicles in Australia There's a wiki article on this 2017. The total registrations over from 2010 to 2017 were four thousand, Four hundred and twenty. In a country of twenty plus million people, there's not many electric cars in Australia and we'll see why.

So these are actually old figures. But as we saw the Twenty Eighteen figures, Six thousand, Seven Hundred and Twenty one hybrid car sales and these figures don't include any of the Tesla's Eva Because Tesla's don't through sell through traditional dealers, which is where these numbers come from. They sell privately and they keep those sales numbers fairly close to their chests, so it's hard to get figures for that. But Tesla's are not hugely popular in Australia as we'll see once again very shortly.

stick around because it gets interesting. But anyway, that's interesting, isn't it? Petrol cars, Ice cars go internal combustion engine cars going down in sales, Electric cars going up, so it's looking good. So anyway, if you weren't looking at Tesla numbers, the estimate has put it at 2,000 Tesla cars over the six years in Australia So that includes from the Roadster model excess and and the model 3 will be shortly delivered here. So yeah, but as we'll see, it's like I'm not racing out to buy a model 3 and there's a reason why.

And here's just a like expected figure: if numbers double each year from now on from 2019, you know, Thirteen, Forty Twenty Six like, And boom up it goes. That's if they double, they may or may not I don't think they're gonna double. And here's an article from February this year: Australia Evie sales remained a pathetically low levels in 2018. data shows.

Yeah, it's it's not that terrific. I Hang on. this one's got data. Tesla Sold fourteen hundred and ten Model S and Model X cars in 2017.

There you go, and it's probably safe to say 2018 figures would have been the same as well. because they're not. They're not really growing. In fact, given that the Australian dollar has been dropping in the last couple of years, that really impacts our the viability of the Tesla here in Australia.

So in 2018, that was about 0.3 percent of all cars sold. It's not much. you don't see many other roads, although ironically, just downstairs I just parked next to it Tesla I might show you actually? Nope. I just went down stairs to shoot some video and it's gone.

So anyway, it's a Tesla it's boring white one. Anyway, there's a breakdown of passenger SUV and Lcv which is a light commercial vehicle anyway. I wish someone would update this Sai wiki article with the latest one. Anyway, the Mitsubishi Outlander pH Eevee which is an SUV you know, but plug-in hybrid thing is the biggest selling electric car in Australia I Believe it out sells the Tesla So and the Nissan Leaf would be the next most popular one I believe in recent times, so we're actually considering the Mitsubishi Outlander P HEV as like an upgrade for our current art.

Nissen do Wallis plus two car. It's like a seven seat thing. The Mitsubishi Outlander It's also like a seven seat one as well. Good for family which is what we need, but unfortunately the battery option in that it's like fifty kilometres range.

It's almost like it's bought like yeah, it'll get us like around here, but it won't even get us like barely get us to the base of the Blue Mountain Now I won't even get us up to the Blue Mountains Really? So yeah, it's It's not that great, but as a daily use thing, it would certainly get us around fully electric. no problems. And that's the first thing in Australia at the moment. There's no way even if I could afford a Tesla which we'll see in a moment is a huge stretch I'd Probably like a full-on electric car is unsuitable for us for our family trips and things like that.

Australia is a a big place and when you need to drive places, it's just even if you had the charging stations available, it would still be a really a pain in the butt. So really, one of these hybrid solutions if we're going to get something, would be a hybrid I Could get a fully electric car just for me just for scooting around and stuff like that. but then I can't drive long distances. You know it's like yeah, the infrastructure just isn't in place at the moment and you still haven't.

Even if the infrastructure is still in place, you still have the issue on long trips of having to actually wait to charge these things up. You know, especially if you're driving like two-hour stretches. Especially if you're driving from like here to Queensland or here to whoop. All Okay, it looks like somebody has recently updated this: April 2019 I Don't know if I'm not going to go through and find every electric car available in Australia sorry, but it is very limited.

A lot of the cars you can get overseas, they simply the markets not here in Australia so they don't even bother importing them and making them as an option. You would have to like find a dealer, buy it overseas and then fully import it yourself if you really wanted one here. and then you've got to get the right hand drive version of it. so you know, yeah, but ones that are super fast.

They're high on diet Kona which is a five-door SUV that's it. Looks like a sixty one thousand bucks. Haven't confirmed that. Of course you know things like the yeah Jaguar You know these are like luxury cars like the BMWs Just like yeah.

really nice cars. same with the Tesla's awesome cars but not really affordable. Let's actually go and check out the price of the Tesla Shall we? Let's go shopping for a Tesla cuz I'd look I Would love to own a Tesla but let's look at the practicality of less. Let's get the Model S Let's let's go for broke.

Okay, custom order. Is it like I don't know? Order now. confirm location New South Wales Let's just say it's for personal use. Oh jeez.

Starting from a hundred and twenty three thousand Five hundred Ozzy buckaroos Ozzy dollar II Do's that is eighties 3717 Ozzy bucks that's not on the road. Weird. We're not even close yet. Okay, that is the cheapest one you can get right? So let's go next.

let's see what it is on the road like. Let's just go it. Like seriously, let's just go for the cheapest price. Okay, let's just go next.

We don't want any extra or - autopilot included select option right? We don't want anything. Let's just go right through your Model S tada drive away price after all, like on road charges and everything else that we have here in Australia One Hundred and Forty Six thousand, One Hundred and Forty dollars I Only have to put down five thousand dollars now. like that's like almost. That's not quite.

but you know, let's round it to like twice the average Australian income As a baseline the average. Our adult Australian brings home about like about eighty to eighty three thousand dollars a year. something like that. So yeah, that's an expensive car and we have in Australia what's called the luxury Car tax and we have mister Sheen to thank for that or my Australian viewers will know who I'm talking about here.

Anyway, the luxury car tax is payable by businesses who sell or import luxury cars, so it's basically added on. Tesla Don't get a free pass on this. If they import a car that's worth over a certain amount of money, they want to sell it here. in Australia they have they get charged by the government.

the luxury car tax. Of course they add that on and pass it over and it's currently luxury Car Tax Threshold currently $64,000 for 2016. Increased threshold seventy-five applies to fuel-efficient cars, so that would include electric cars I Think so I Believe the month the new model three is just under or exempted from the luxury car tax, but the Model S are certainly cops it and I know you want to know what the top Model S is. Let's let's go for read: we want year the 21 inch wheels are an extra six grand.

Yeah, now we're talking 2800 extra. Let's go for that. That looks pretty sexy. Self-driving Yes! so if you want full self-driving autonomous car, it's an extra $8,500 Thank you very much.

And maybe I'll tell you at the end of my opinion on self-driving cars in the future. So stick around for that. Don't don't jump to the end Everyone see ruins our YouTube metrics personal business. Why two hundred thousand smackers? Thank you very much for a top-of-the-line Yes, it didn't give us like the battery pack option.

isn't there like a extra unlimited but yeah, free unlimited super charging. Woohoo! Anyway, that's being silly. Okay, obviously I can't afford that. Let's go for the model three which everyone in California is buying.

You know it's it's the hipster car of choice now isn't it? I'm 620 K's range. That's like a fantastic right? That's it's. really freakin' good. So let's order this baby.

Let's order the new model 3, which I don't think there's any in the country at the moment. I Think they're come in like in the next month or two you can order one. You can order one that now here it is $66,000 is the absolute base model unit. Okay to me, $66,000 is an insane amount of money for a car.

My Toyota Corolla you can buy like a new one of that for $20,000 I Know they're not equivalent and a lot of people are going to say that, but look, I just need a car to get me from A to B I'd love to an electric car, but this is basically three times the cost of another. I Know it's not an equivalent car, but it's You know it. Learned Quite a reasonable car to meet. like here in Australia right Annex I Consider an expensive car to be like probably over 50 grand.

something like that. I We've never spent that much money on a car and like, even if we went for the P HEV that's like a 50 grand level car. So that's like wool, you know, with like whoa, rich bastards, right? They're getting a pair and Mitsubishi P HEV or considering getting one I Don't think we ultimately will with it's lousy but all 50 meter range unless they improve it. So now I think we're gonna hold off an electric car at the moment.

We're just going to get along with the current misson do all this. but anyway, like 66 grand? That's a lot of money right? And that's a way we're not even there yet. Okay, that's the base model so look like little loan if you want long range. Okay, this one will own.

this one will go 460 Kay the long range will go 620 but for 424 sixth is still a lot right? So I'd still be happy with that. Okay, I'm not fussy although I'd really like the red but it's 2,800 bucks because red goes faster. but you know, look let's let's let's be tight-ass cuz I am a tight ass here we go. Cash and select option right? Once again, the full self-driving capability extra 8500.

Rive the car myself, right? It's $70,000 That is a really expensive car here in Australia A lot of people go I just borrow the money and buy it. No right? I don't want to spend 70 grand on a car that's seriously expensive car and don't believe this price after estimated savings thing. That's just like if you take out like petrol and you choose electricity to charge it of course and like just like I'm not going to bother with those sort of calculations. it's 70 grand.

That's what you got to pay for it. And if you want the model three fully optioned up with the self-driving capability and the extra range 117 thousand dollars. Whoa. Because there are no subsidies for electric cars in Australia, We've got to pay potentially luxury car tax on certain cars.

I'm not sure if you'd pay it on this one and get might if it bumps it over a certain price and things like that. I'm not sure how it works with the options, but and then you've got to pay to import them here. then you've got the exchange rate into Aussie bucks. The Aussie dollars fallen in comparison to the US dollar I'm not sure how it's doing compared to the Euro and stuff like that if you import a car from Europe but anyway, it's not.

It's not good, right? Tesla's are really expensive. This is why I don't own one. There's seriously expensive. It's Atlee three and a half times more than what my current Toyota Corolla cost.

But hey, Dave You can buy a second-hand electric car. Well, let's have a look at car sales for electric cars, shall we? These are. There are currently 283 electric cars for sale in Australia and we can actually sort these by low to high price Mitsubishi Minicab. Look at that.

I Can buy a 2011 mini cab with 63k 63,000 K's on the clock. Ninety like you know look and and and I me if I've done a yard I've looked at the I'm here before and it's just. you know it's not the thing the way Mrs. Eevblog won't let me buy cuz it doesn't have a safety rating.

Okay Anyway, let's go down. look at this and leaf even like 15 and a half grand for a 2012 Nissan Leaf That's almost 8 years old, right? For 15 and a half grand? Sure, you might be able to get it a bit cheaper, right? But look right this. Seriously. we're up to 20 grand or a neared near to 20 grand already.

We can't get anything less than a six year old second-hand car. So it's like 2014. For 19 grand, it's got 86,000 K's on the clock. What's the cheapest Tesla we can get 75 grand is the cheapest secondhand.

Tesla And that six years over five? five years old? Like yeah, no thanks, right? And if we go, if we clear that and we say nice and Leaf which by all accounts is a pretty decent electric car, right at fifteen, half grand is the cheapest one, but it's like seven years old. You really have to go all the way with LBJ right up to know you want to get it like a recent one. Europe You're pushing thirty grand now. Thirty grand before you can get a a five-year-old missing leaf late.

Wow Secondhand like 2015 Oh 20 1953 grand Drive away. There you go. It's got almost 10,000 K's on the clock and it's 53,000 dollars. So the new ones I think they've just got in the new No, it is a 20-19 There you go.

It's a nice pale blue isn't it? Anyway, 53 Grant right? This is an expensive car for like a missin' Leaf. I Don't know how much I'll be in your country for a brand new car. Leave it in the comments down below here in: Australia It is seriously expensive to buy a new or used electric car. It's almost I Consider anything over 50.

60 grand is practically in the luxury car price category. And here's an article: I Just published. Yep. August 16th Yeah, the other day yesterday, Missin Leaf.

This is the high on die Ionic. that's a real crappy name. Really, that is just crap. Yeah, Budget Electric Car Comparison Review: We put Australia's two most affordable V's to the test and find that being an early adopter costs a hefty premium and calls for a lot of patience.

Driving electric car is like sailing quiet, environmentally friendly. they are the choice of the wealthier among us and deliver a warming sense of satisfaction. Battery powered vehicles give you time to reflect on such metaphors, usually while waiting for them to charge a 400 kilometer day trip in the two most affordable electric cars Mists and Leaf and the high-end Ionic needed to lengthy stops to take on electrons charged in sequence. That's about two hours to consider.

Electric cars cost too much price from 50 grand. These are the cheapest electric cars on Australia Plus Honor that doesn't include on-road costs. The second generation Lee Leaf arrives as the world's best-selling electric car. There you go, The world's best-selling electric car in Australia Is it? So it's probably like 55 grand here in Australia That's that's a lot of money When the average Australian income is like just over 80,000 a year.

That's a pretty pricey car. Now This is interesting. A smash hit in countries such as Norway where they get subsidies. The Leaf cost sixteen thousand five hundred less than a Nissen X-trail in Oslo.

But in Australia right? we pay twenty five thousand dollars more for the leaf than the nests and then the X-trail Like that. How insane it is here. Like it like it's not just a little difference. It's like it's completely weighed like this.

It's just nuts. And yeah, you'll find. The thing is, the dealers here won't even carry the electric cars we've The other weekend we went to have a look at the Mitsubishi Outlander Just you know, put the feelers out to see if we liked it. It's not a bad.

I Actually quite like the Mitsubishi Outlander. It's the electric and the petrol one is absolutely equivalent. Apart from, you can't get the bigger motor or pick a petrol motor in the Eevee version because the batteries take up space and it doesn't have a spare tire. They actually take out the spare tire from the bottom and put the and put the battery pack in there so you only get 50 K range on it.

yeah which like it's not much at all. anyway it is I think it's like 10 grand more something. Anyway, the dealers don't even carry these electric cars. You've got a like booking a test drive with the main dealership and like we booked in and test like haven't even heard back from them.

this was like two weeks now, haven't even heard back. Hey look we'd love to buy a Mitsubishi P HEV we'd like to take one for a test drive. Nobody gets back to us cuz the dealers I was talking to the guy there. he says yeah we just don't bother like as nobody wants them and the new Leaf apparently has the potential to pump energy back to your home on the grid can serve as a backup battery.

that'd be cool I'd love to do that see I'd Love an electric arc So I'm into solar I got the solar on the roof and everything. You've seen my soul of videos and sure you have anyway. There you go If you're wondering why I don't have an electric car, it's because they're too darn expensive. And I'm not gonna buy the model three at a hundred minutes.

What was it? $70,000 for the cheapest model three and drive away price and for the fully option up just the model three $117,000 You want to? Model S Top of the range. Two hundred thousand smackers. Thank you. Very much like and just the Nissan Leaf Like what? Fifty five grand? something like that? It's just, it's absolutely crazy.

This is why this. Okay, they've doubled in the last year. That's terrific. But they're not going to double again and double again.

Why? Because the primary problem with electric cars is, well, I we don't have subsidies. Okay, subsidies can make it cheaper, but it's ultimately coming out of my pocket as the taxpayer. So I'd Like, you know, I'd love to get a cheap electric carpet, you know, and not at the expense of sucking off the the government or the taxpayer teat so that money doesn't come from free. it comes from the taxpayers myself.

So yeah, the subsidies. Yeah, it's good to get subsidies to get the market rolling and all that sort of jazz, you know? Yeah, and there's decent arguments for that. Don't necessarily have a problem with that. But yeah, there's no subsidies for electric cars in Australia Unlike a solar we had there a huge solar subsidy.

That's why there's massive solar uptake here in Australia cuz these subsidies made it all those lucrative you know, tax subsidies and it was just crazy. And you're practically even paid to install solar panels way back in the day when it was 60 cents feed-in tariffs which is gone now. But yeah, anyway. maybe they'll bring in a subsidy of some description to help improve it.

But the problem is, electric cars can't compete without these subsidies. They really would have a serious hard time competing because the battery just the battery pack for the Tesla cost more than a brand-new car and ice car, right? internal combustion engine car. It's just crazy. and there's no technology on the horizon that's going to magically drop like half the price of battery packs.

Battery technology is getting better every year, but we're talking like single-digit percentage better. It's not, you know. Yeah, there's some technologies out there and you put it down in the comments. go for it.

What your favorite technology is that's going to drop the price of batteries or increase the capacity by an order of magnitude and then still, they can make them smaller and cost less. And and I Just don't see these huge leaps and bounds happening. no matter all this money's going into. Tesla Giga factory is everything else and it's just it's it's not happening there.

Electric cars with like, really good range are still seriously expensive. And that's not to mention the issue of like having to charge them up that fossil if you all that it took tens of millions of years to produce and all that compressed organic matter you like. It's hard to beat the energy density and the cost at the moment of that. there's currently a glut we won't get into that.

But anyway, yes, from a financial standpoint, it makes absolutely no sense to buy an electric car here in. Australia And it's unfortunate because I Want one? I Really do. But yes, seriously, when this and Leaf is 55,000 Australian Buckaroos dollar reduce? Yeah, well anyway. I Promise to mention something about autonomous vehicles not going to happen for the foreseeable future I'm sorry everyone's talking.

it's couple of years away. It's a couple years away. Yeah, it'll still be a couple of years away. I'd be surprised if a let if our autonomous vehicles are dominating by the end of next decade.

I went as seriously: I Busy. Flame me down below if you want I don't think that close to ready to roll out on a mass scale I Don't see it happening Anyway, that's potentially a another video, but ya know I'm not going to be dropping their non autonomous car or autonomous car driving itself anytime soon. that includes the Tesla. So yeah, Flame away, Go on.

But anyway. I hope you found that interesting. That's why I don't have an electric car as much as I would want one. Once again, we pay the Australia tax.

Catch you next time.