The 6 month test results for the Solar Roadways Solaroad.nl solar bike path project in the Netherlands are in. Dave compared the results to three local rooftop solar system and debunks the recent media reports that the project produces more power than was expected and that the solar roadway are now viable as a result.
And which country is doing Solar Roadways right? - South Korea!
Forum: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-743-solar-roadways-test-results/'>http://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-743-solar-roadways-test-results/
Dave's solar system results: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq0f6FXjyMk
Solar roadways are bullshit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=obS6TUVSZds
More Solar Roadways bullshit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOZBrHqTJk4
Solar road calcs: http://www.eevblog.com/images/SolaRoadsResultsCalcs.png'>http://www.eevblog.com/images/SolaRoadsResultsCalcs.png
Solaroad Press Release: http://us7.campaign-archive2.com/?u=fc23dec47019a23d70031492e&id=39c5c2acf8
Engadget Story: http://www.engadget.com/2015/05/11/solar-bike-path-results/
Popular Mechanics Story: http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a15484/netherlands-solar-bike-path/
Three solar installations in the Netherlands used in the analysis:
http://pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=24667&sid=22510&v=0&t=m
http://pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=10682&sid=11843&v=0&t=m
http://pvoutput.org/aggregate.jsp?id=19770&sid=17621&v=0&t=m
Solar panel datasheets:
http://www.upsolar.com/uploads/UploadFile/UP-EN-US-012015_V1_STND_POLY60_6_B_LR_20150204.pdf
http://www.weamerisolar.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/AS-6M30225W-260W-1652-1000-50-WHITE.pdf
http://www.assoimprese.it/pdf/qixin.pdf
Video of the Solar Roadway in South Korea:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=63&v=LuYsYLqjUtU
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Hi Welcome to another Solar Roadways video! I've done two previous videos aren't debunking. Sol Freaking Roadways was the first one and then the second one was pretty much a debunking. The results. The initial prototype test results from a prototype solar pathway.

It's not a solar roadway but a solar bike way in the Netherlands and this is a solar road with no our solar Road dot and Ill link the videos in here. If you haven't seen them, they go for like half an hour. They got all the detailed analysis, math, everything else. This one will be real quick because Solar Onl have just released the six month test results from this six month trial.

So I thought we'd take a look at it to see if the whole concept is viable or not. Let's go now. The six month trial didn't go without incident for this thing. They actually had one of the panel's like completely crack and/or shatter actually.

and here's a photo of it. It was pretty terrible. So they're looking into that, but they're these sort of things happen with prototypes. But the good thing is we have a 70 meter long solar bike way in the Netherlands that's been operating for six months and it generated so they say.

In fact, here's a graph showing the accumulated energy output over the six months. Three thousand kilowatt hours. Nice round number generated in the six month. Awesome! So what we can do now is use that figure and compare it to what you would get from a rooftop solar installation and see how stacks up.

So they put out a press release and it's been picked up by a few places and claiming that all it's generated more power than what they expected and well, they didn't really add to that, but oh yeah, it's better. The results are better than we expected and Popular Mechanics for example, picked up the article and said Oh Solar Bikeway is a shining success pardon the pun and you know they're talking it up as if it's fantastic. It's now viable and it's better than expected. I Had quite a few people contact me and coming up.

what do I think about it now. Well, it's not what I about, its what the data actually shows now. I had the idea that well, I've got my own solar system on my rooftop three kilowatt solar system I've done a video which I'll link in here, analyzing the results from that and the payback period and showing the data and and all that sort of stuff. and I thought, well I can use six months worth of data from my own system to compare it to their six months and see how it goes.

but then I thought, well, I'm here in Sydney Australia they're in the Netherlands You've got to account for solar insolation and different times in the year and all sorts of things and that's a bit messy. So I figured, well, why don't I actually get solar data from people's rooftops nearby in the Netherlands and I can use that over that exact same six month period that they had this trial over. That will be a real, you know, apples to Apples comparisons to see how viable these solar are, Bikeways and/or solar roadways are going to be. Best case because we now have this real data now the site that I'm using PV Output Dot Org where all of my real-time solar data goes.
It turns out there's a whole stack of people who have also in in the Netherlands who have also got their data fed in there. and there's a couple of systems with only within a few kilometres of the solar Robo installation. So beauty, we can suck that data out and compare it. Let's go.

So when I saw these press releases right off the bat, I sort of went, it didn't sort of pass the test. Really, it sounded like okay, yeah, it's more than it was outputting more than they expected. The three thousand kilowatt hours was more than they expected over the six months, But how much more nobody really tells you that then I tell you that in the atoms Just say oh, it's more than we expected. Therefore, oh, it must be fantastic and completely viable, right? Well, let's look at the real data now.

They claimed right at the beginning of this thing and I've also got this in my previous video as well. What they expected was 50 kilowatt hours per square metre per year. And of course they've only been out for six months. So they've got 25 kilowatt hours per square meter first six months and I know it's not over a full year, so it's not over the full solar insolation cycle, but it's over half a cycle, which is good enough so it has some peaks and it has some troughs, and it's going to average out quite well.

so the results after six months are pretty good to use for our comparisons. You don't necessarily need the full 12 months, so this is what they expected. How much did they actually get? Hmm. so as per the previous video, I estimated the width of the solar bike way based on the photos and and some other stuff, and I got a value of 1.75 meters wide roughly.

and it's a 70 meter long cycle way. So a total Square area of 120 2.5 square meters. So they generated three thousand kilowatt hours for the six months. For the 120 2.5 square meters, that's twenty four point five kilowatt hours per square meter.

Per six months, they were expecting 25. It's basically exactly what they're expecting there, and they're claiming that Oh, it's more than what we expected. Well, yeah, let I tell you how much more, right? it's bugger-all. right.

I could be slightly off on the 1.75 meters wide. So okay, let's you know I Trust them, right? I Don't think they're lying. Yes, it's more, but it's not much more. It's not spectacularly more.

It's not double. You know it's not even 20% more. You know, 50% more. It's just.

ah man. So right there it is just typical marketing stuff. and then the bloggers and that you know the websites get carried away. Oh, it's more than expected.

So they put the headline, you know, a shining success and everything else makes it all viable. No, it's basically exactly what they expected. duh. So you see this sort of thing happen all the time they say, yeah, it's better than don't provide any data and then just let people's imaginations take over from there.
cuz there's a lot of people who believe, deeply, believe, religiously, believe in these solar roadways and want it to work at any cost. So they'll take this as a shining example no pun intended, well pun intended perhaps of yeah thing is so viable. So I'm gonna give this solar roadways this solar pathway a fair go. Let's take a look at the dialog as I said I Found three Local A rooftop our solar installations within a couple of kilometers of this solar cycle way and let's take a look at the data I will link in my sheet here for those who want to see the exact calculations and can double-check what I'm doing so there's no funny business.

you can go back I'll link in all the original data, everything else. You can verify exactly what I'm saying here. so let's have a look at how good this thing is. The Solar Road Three Three thousand kilowatt hours for one hundred and twenty two point five square meters I Just copied that data down here.

so twenty four point five kilowatt hours output per square meter. Okay, it's pretty good. It's actually better than I was expecting. So gadget Frank's Our installation was 811 kilowatt hours for sixteen point five square meters.

It's a little like two-and-a-half or three kilowatt roof installation, but the size doesn't matter because we have scaled it down. that's 49 point two kilowatt hours per square meters and the other two systems. You can see the data here out side by side if I overlap. The graphs are pretty consistent, so this is pretty consistent verifiable data.

but we've got three different systems. We'll take the average. The average is forty seven point two kilowatt hours per square meter. Bingo.

It's about double what we get from the solar roadways. And there you go. There's your answer: How effective are these solar roadways? Solar pathways? We have six months worth. a real engineering you know, undisputable engineering data here.

So rooftop solar has twice the output of this solar cycle way. and that's actually pretty much what you'd expect given the losses. The fact that their roof top ones are angled like a thirty degrees in an optimally angle. But they're angled.

They're not tracking, for example, but it's better to angle them. whereas the solar pathway or solar roadway is flat. of course, they lose. I Don't you know about the twenty thirty percent there? or something like that for it being flat horizontal on the ground.

And then you've got the thick glass of course, which is going to be on top all that protective clashing. And again, you know, ten fifteen percent loss there. I Think I use ten percent figure. last time that was pretty generous.
I Think in terms of loss and then they're gonna heat up more because they're you know, sealed inside much thicker glass they got and don't have airflow going under them like ones on rooftops do. And solar panel output efficiency drops with a higher temperature. So you know all these losses together you'd expect. this is, you know it's It's actually a pretty good result for the solar pathway.

Here at, you know, only only half that of rooftop soles. Always solar roadways supporters are probably jumping for joy. See, it's all you know. it's half as good as rooftop solar, that's You know that's good enough and worth the while to pave all our roads on the planet with bloody solar panels.

but it's still half the output for a lot more cost. Lot at least double. Could be quadruple the cost, let alone lifetime. The you know, the lifetime and this thing.

we haven't looked at it. it's already failed. like within the first couple of weeks a panel and already cracked. But okay, that's a prototype.

You can do that. But yeah. like rooftop solar. Really simple, really reliable.

And as I said in the previous video, solar Power technology and how you can see in my video as well, my own the solar results for my own home system. Its solar power is already a borderline marginal payback product. You have to get you know your 20-year life time out of it or 10 years lifetime out of it to get a viable payback. And I've done the calculations in terms of dollar cost payback in the previous video.

So I won't repeat them here. But you know these solar cycle where solar pathways are a lot higher cost. they're going to have more made and it's guaranteed if you think they don't Well, you don't know much about engineering at all. So have I changed my mind on solar roadways? Well, no, not at all because it's half the output at best.

This was ideal condition if you had it as a roadway and I won't go into the ridiculous practicalities and showstoppers that are involved in using glass as a road. Service might be okay for this cycle way. for example, in niche applications. Yes, as I've said in previous videos, niche applications, these things are going to.

You know they might be useful. You can get some energy out of them, but it's always going to be better to put them on poles. for example, take a look at this video. this one's in South Korea The South Koreans know what they're doing.

They paved the middle of this huge multi lane freeway. They put this cycle path in the middle of it and then covered the whole thing with solar panels. Fantastic! So they're going to get you know the mass in the same massive output as you get with the end the lifetime that you get with rooftop solar systems and solar farms for example. So they're doing the right thing and not only does it provide optimum output versus cost for the installation by not making this bloody road surface or a cycle service, putting in an above the cyclist and it provides shade as well.
you get all the lifetime benefits. That's it. It's no contest. South Koreans Have the right idea.

That's how you do a solar roadway. So there you go. Hopefully that's the last solar roadway that I have to do. We've got.

the numbers are finally in absolutely no dispute in it there. They give half the output of rooftop solar systems and then you can go calculate the the cost of building these things and maintenance and everything else to your heart's content. Rooftop solar systems and farm. You know, solar farms and things like that.

all the one in South Korea Very very low maintenance cost on these things. Very long time frame so you're going to get a really decent pay back on those solar rode solar cycle ways. Not just a bit of a fantasy. Neasha applications for sure.

Otherwise, forget it. catch you next time you.

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19 thoughts on “Eevblog #743 – solar roadways test results”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars General Jack Ripper says:

    Build a 230 foot long bike path to power one house, or just put a few panels on the roof. Gee, wonder which one the feel-good schmucks will choose every time?

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sebastian Melmoth says:

    Pls debunk super-speed freaking vacuum trains.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Riagan Bogenspanner says:

    I mean yes I see many problems in this design, in the efficiency and in the production cost (in sense of the expended energy). Why not use space that we already cemented? Yes it would be better to do roof first, but filling the nature with angleded solar panels is not the right way. 🙂

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Glenn Reid says:

    If you have a very large surface area, eg a road and very cheap PV's then efficiency becomes much less important. Also installation is a large part of the cost of rooftop PV due to access issues.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Chrismofer says:

    "hopefully that's the last solar roadway video i have to do"

    (watching video 6 of 16)

    dave u poor thing

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Seth Reid says:

    It's a sad state when there are people in the world trying to invent something that will help all of humanity. And because it needs to be refined and isn't an instant success, all a lot of people can think of to do is shit all over it. Long as you get your likes though, right? Try to help solve the problem that they are or stfu.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars CorpusMedicus says:

    Hey can you do a Solar Wall on Mexico border 🙂 2000 miles long..

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lucidity says:

    wow, that's really close to where I live, I should go ad see that thing with my own eyes. I don't get what the deal is with putting them on the road while we have plenty of rooftops to use for that but I'll take solar panels where I can get them…
    even tough I'd prefer it if people just wise up.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars feynthefallen says:

    just how wide is that bloody bike path? Anyone from the netherlands here who could, like, take a measuring tape to it?

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MultiMurmaider says:

    Has anyone thought about the cost of building and maintaining these things? It would cost at least an order of magnitude more than the roads we have, which are falling apart due to high maintenance costs! Even if they worked, they would not improve the economy, they would end it. Spend some money on education, so people quit being dumb enough to fall for these stupid ideas. If you want to pave the Las Vegas Strip with them, or your driveway, that would be great but for an entire nation to pave it's roads with them is not just stupid, it is IMPOSSIBLE! GET THE FUCK OVER IT!!

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars The RealButcher (Peter / Holland) says:

    Good work man… thanks!!!

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars porridge57 says:

    Hey, I admit that it hasn't lived up to the promise, but jeez, you sound like you are happy about it. I think it was well worth the attempt. That's the way science works. You try something, it doesn't work, you learn, modify, and try again. Perhaps when technology and installation techniques improve, it will be different in the future.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Arnaldo Manuel says:

    Producing more power than expected doesn't mean that it's viable. Media reports are usually not made by actual engineers.
    0 Watt-Hours produced is more than a negative value (drawing power instead of producing it) but that doesn't mean that the solar roadways isn't a glorified LED banner.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Faladrin says:

    I'm on board with solar road ways being stupid, but why do you keep comparing them to roof top solar panels? I get that the solar roadway people use general solar panel efficiency in their numbers so you gotta debunk that part, but the cost and efficiency of these systems need to be compared to existing roads, not existing solar panels.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Guitar Channel says:

    Until they test it in a hurricane or under a huge convoy of tanks, they should ask for money for research and development only….and not tout it as a viable product ready for use.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Thomas Jaynes says:

    This kind of video causes the weirdest of commenters. The general consensus is that scientific minds agree because science is about fact. You can make statements and use mathematics to show your correct proof and seem credible while simply choosing the right math and avoiding certain properties to prove.

    DO NOT LET THIS MAN OR ANY OTHER THINK FOR YOU!!!!! Do your own research, ask your own questions and find the answers. do not let anyone you do not know think critically for you. This guy can say a bunch scientific and mathematical jargon and if you do not fully understand these principles he could be manipulating the facts and you would never know. No one is holding this man accountable.

    Think for yourself!

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars OfficialHopelost9 says:

    I'm not sure I understand why you compare to rooftops… Solar Pathways produce more energy than no Solar Pathways… Sure, roofs are so much better, so? Even if you have to do maintenance, even if they have to fix it, its better than nothing… Sure, there are alternatives, but why are you putting down what could potentially be a good way to do something with more research and more effort put into it?

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ididnotk illjfk says:

    The use of these in car parks, pathways and low stress roadways such as house drives is a viable means to utilise space and avoid the need for agricultural land being used in solar farms, even if a roadway only generates enough power to maintain the associated electrical infrastructure it would probably be worth the investment

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bjørnen says:

    But… Yeah, sure, this is nothing like the freaking solar roadway power promised, and quite frankly it doesn't look like that can be achieved at all. BUT, I find there is a but in here… The problem here is they break. The glass shatter. It's the only problem. 3000 kwh with the solar roadways versus 0 kwh without them. Nobody should expect the kw's to be used to heat up houses or anything like that, it's just not realistic. But the power could be used for something else altogether. Traffic lights.. Powerstations for electrical cars.. Of course you'll get more output from solar panels mounted on a rooftop!

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