It's all fun and games until an innocent opamp gets hurt!
Dave proves he's not the sharpest tool in the shed by killing an opamp in his µCurrent calibration test jig, whilst checking the calibration of course.
Doh.
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Dave proves he's not the sharpest tool in the shed by killing an opamp in his µCurrent calibration test jig, whilst checking the calibration of course.
Doh.
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Hi, You ever had one of those bad days when you just do something incredibly? Oh facepalm stupid. Well yeah, that just happened to me today. I was some just checking the calibration of my little microcurrent test jig here. this is the 1 amp one.
I've got several of these for different current ranges and things and this is the production test jig that goes along. and you know, Bang bang bang bang. You put it in and check the micro cards in production. Um, this I sent these to my assembly house I don't and do them here so they're the ones who operate this.
and I've got a precision current source that I've built and uh, if you want to I don't know. have a showing inside this before. it's it's it's not pretty. Um, there you go.
It's not pretty, but there is a small board down in there. we jump is pretty schmick. Actually, it generates a really precision 1 amp current so it may not look like much. But anyway, this generates the current reference for the micro current calibration and I was just checking the calibration of this where I actually feed in one volt into the input into this thing.
So it simulates the 1 volt output from the micro current using my voltage reference here and you'll notice that it's some reasonably close to I've just switched this thing on, so let me plug it in and watch what happens. Oh Am I doing it again? No. Look, it's dropped down. There you go.
Why is it dropped down from the nominal 1 volt? Well, obviously the output of this voltage reference is being loaded. Why? Because I did something incredibly dumb I hooked it up and I had my voltage reference set to 10 volts. Oh, and this thing is powered from as you can see to coin cell batteries, so there's like a maximum of a 6 volt range on a 6 volt power supply on this thing. In fact, it's dropped a little bit down below that on the rail itself.
And of course, though, if you feed ten volts into the input in this case, the inputs are terminals here are connected directly to an Op-amp on here and if you feed 10 volts in when you got a six volt rail, wah, and well, yeah, something's loading it down. So I think I've killed my input Op amp here and that's you know, my dumb I didn't ruggedized this thing like I would have normally did I did a real hurry and I didn't put any input, input, series protection, resistors, or anything. any input protection at all. any sort of clamping because it wasn't going to be ever used in a scenario where that was likely to be a problem except when it gets back in my hands.
and I completely screw my own design by not checking before I plug the damn voltage reference in. Ah, Unbelievable. So yeah, I think there's something seriously wrong with that chip is loading down my reference? Let's go measure it. And by the way, if you haven't done seen, this has just got a power LED in here and an inspect and that's basically it.
It tells the production operator go/no-go whether or not a micro current passes the test and well, let's this is the voltage input here which takes the output from the micro current and when you feed in the nominal one amp sight into the micro current, this is just a feed through like that. So this just feeds what feeds the currents straight through like that. So no big deal Duh. obviously. Wow 60 Ohms there you go. That is why it's loading down my voltage reference I've definitely well actually killed it. This is supposed to go just directly to the input of a high precision CMOS Op-amp so it should effectively be. you know, infinite input impedance basically.
and nope, it's shorted out so he whoops you and it's going to be that puppy there. the OPA 2376 So it takes the input directly from there. And the gist, it's it's a window comparator so it drives the LED there from a voltage reference on the board so you know it's a fairly simple device. But yeah, I had no input protection or anything like that Oh suck up the chip and well I hope I got another one I usually buy more than what I need You know if I if I was building one of these I wouldn't just order one Op-amp you know cuz I would have got it from Digi-key or maybe you know someone like that I would have ordered at least a couple of spares Gonski and a little bit of cleanup there and she'll be right ready for a new one.
Okay, so make sure dumbass Me's got it around the right way I think I have I've already tacked down one corner pin and in this case, it was unlikely to have taken out anything else on the supply rail. and I checked the voltage reference on here. it seems to be working just fine and the other Op-amp on here, its functionality is just fine. So there's only basically three main devices on the row here, and sure enough, today, I'm not sure if you can see that, but anyway, a green light.
it's um, inspect and I can now go out of spec and make it jump in and out of spec. and now I can go in and tweak it red. Takes actually quite some time to actually re-check and recalibrate this thing, but there you go. it's fixed.
So dumb. Ask me what's the moral of the story? Water? Do this video I don't know I just want to share my screw-up with you. So before you plug stuff in, thou shalt check. voltages catch you next time you.
You.
Мораль такова что нужно делать защиту на выходе.
yeah i figured it would be a good idea to add an input series resistance and clamping zeners regardless of whether i'm going to feed voltage higher than allowed to the input port of the device that i am designing. because i know i will, one day, even though i'm not expecting to.
same goes about reverse polarity.
👍👍 oops!
This reminds me of when I was in school for electronics. We were taking a test using 741's. We are supposed to apply DC before applying AC. Well, I forgot the DC and fed in the AC. Well, the 741 turned colors and was fried.
I blew up an optocoupler yesterday – too much current through the LED – by accidentally turning a trim pot too low.
It's not a bug, it's a feature. 60 Ohm termination for the Americans.
Lesson for young players …
Nice video 🙂 Dont forget input protection 🙂
Resistor at input with help of ESD Diodes gona save op amp 🙂
What does 10V reference mean?
wtf is an op amp? (besides a magic triangle that somehow violates the 1st law of thermodynamics)
I watch pointless videos as a hobby, so there is always "I am feeding some poor weirdo's hobby of watching quasi-pointless videos for educational amusement that will be forgotten moments later" as a reason why you made this. Seems a bobby dazzler, right? (I couldn't help myself I had to say it… your strange lingo has infected my brain)
Thx for sharing this screw up lol. I am a new hobbyist and it is releving to see that even professionals can make oopsies. Luckily the biggest oopsie i have made that resulted in destruction was grabbing a 15v adapter instead of the 7v i meant to grab. Lets just say i had to build a new battery charger.
It takes a humble man to admit his mistakes. As engineers, it's hard for us to admit when we're wrong. When we do, however, it shows others our integrity.
if I start posting a video for every circuit I destroy, there will be no room left in the youtube severs! haha nice video Dave
How to destroy OpAmps:
1) by reversing the polarity on the power inputs
2) by supplying more voltage on signal inputs than the voltage on power inputs (Vsignal>Vpower not allowed)
– Can anyone tell, what should we take in care as far as the output pin? It should not be short-circuited with Vpower maybe?
Thanks for showing the human side.
that's nothing…. I've destroyed a graphics card by dropping a screw on to it while it was turned on…. literally screwed
Would I be wrong to suggest a schottky diode across the input terminals?
Your videos are awesome! Dont stop with posting videos!
Dunno about anyone else, but if I am designing an op amp circuit for personal use, i grab 3 of them. One extra in case it arrives dead, and one more for when I blow the ass out of it by mistake 🙂
How To Kill An Opamp – give it to the primate.
Dr. murphy wins again!
Your right binding post was for 3mm down!
G'day Dave. I have not seen this video yet when I decided that going forward all op-amps in my experimental boards will be sitting on a IC sokets to not being bothered with replacement if I cook them. Did not burn any yet. Hard to beleive you did.
Voltages at my place are 140-400 V DC. 🙂 and I cooked Mosfets (op-amps were not hurt) couple of times when have not been bothered to run the circuit via Analyser which detects ubnormal current / voltage and cuts it off if mistake was made.
Keep up the good work.
Another reminder – attention to details is of paramount importance when you are dealing with electricity / electronics.
Thanks for sharing !
Hi Dave im 13 years old and i love your videos since i was 7 years old
well that's it godbye :v
That was very, very inefficient.
Sadly an unwatchable video. Please upload a new version that does not suck.
I did a super special dumb move and soldered in a diode backwards on a guitar amp.
And then to add to it I kept turning it on and off then got pissed because I knew what I did and pulled two traces because I wasnt paying attention to the heat on the iron.
You could explain voltage limiter circuit. Would that be possible?