Dave had a very quick play with the new 4 channel Rigol DS1000Z series oscilloscope with dual channel ARB function generator on the Emona stand at the Electronex 2013 exhibition.
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And here is the new Ryo DS 1000 Z series and uh I just found it's this is a very uh, this is a more of an early uh prototype unit and I just found an A bug in the uh firmware and just so happens we have Stone from Ryol his um X R&D uh Guy and um he just called Headquarters and uh they're going to send new firmware to fix it. Beautiful! That's service for you and there's John South in the background there and we have three viewers complete with amp hour t-shirt Where's your t-shirts guys come on Antonio I'm waiting for my PCB and show show. Show them your muler show them your multimeter Here we go. Fluke 27 and the only one in the world to be signed.
Look at that. Don't know why he want it signed but he got it signed. Awesome! Awesome! Thanks guys! Uh FID Fidelity Yeah and there's a new brand spanking new not even released yet. Uh DG 1060 Is it the 1060? Series Yeah, this is.
There's two of them. T Oh, it's a 1,000 Z series. There you 1,000 Z series. So there you go: 200 Mig samples 14 bits.
Um, it's got a s Did you counter more memory up? Oh okay, what does it come standard? Uh, what's the standard memory stand? Memories eight and they've got the silly little Flur uh corners on them. same as the power supply. okay, drop protection. Yeah, great, but that looks really quite neat so that's not not released yet.
It's out next month. Stone This month. This this month. End of this month.
There you go and it's complete. AR Gen of course. and how much does this cost? Um, these are going to. We don't have detail price yet, but they retail between the 1022 and the 4062 so somewhere between $400 to $800 and instead of the Annoying dot uh that we have on the 4,000 Series this one has nice little waveform views.
I Like that. Excellent, well done. and uh, there are several differences between the Uh 1000 Z series and the Uh Big Brother. It's 2000 Uh series.
Uh, the first one is that. uh, it's the same resolution display of course the 800x 400 but it is smaller. Um I think it's like an inch or an inch and a half. Uh, smaller.
The other thing is you can't actually remove the menus on here whereas you can on the 2,000 so you fix to 12 horizontal divisions on this this. whereas on the 2000 model you can have 14 horizontal divisions so you can actually get rid of those menus. So um, yeah, a bigger real estate on the 2000 model. And of course one of the big things because this is a much smaller scope, it's similar in size to the 10502.
you don't get that nice big uh waveform replay knob that you do on the 2000 series scope, but this still does have um, limited waveform replay. It's in the utility menu here like the 1052 and you go into the record function So it does have limited record function. but it's not nearly as good as the Uh 2000 Series scope so they some of the big differences. The others uh thing is it does.
Yes, it does have an intensity graded Uh display on it, but it's only Uh 64 levels I Believe 64 uh, you know grayscale levels or green levels I guess you could call it whereas the or intensity levels whereas the 2000 series scope has Uh 256 levels. So yes, it does have it, but not quite as good, but you wouldn't expect that for the price either. And it does come with 12 Meg points standard memory which is a lot and Uh 24 Meg points as a software option. The other difference with the 2000 is that um, uh, it does only only have 30,000 waveform updates per second Peak Whereas you get 50,000 on the Uh 2000 Series model and doesn't have the low uh noise floor either, you can only go down to Uh 1 Mt per division. it doesn't have that very nice 500 microvolts uh per division range like you can get on the Uh that you get on the Uh 2000 model and that's the noise floor. um at uh, full bandwidth I believe at Uh 1 molt per division so it's still not bad at all. And of course you can bandwidth limit that to 20 meg and there's a 20 mag. It's not much better either unfortunately.
so we got a full division with lots of quite a bit of high frequency spiking there. I'm not sure what's going on, not sure what's going on there, but uh, there you go. Check that out. So that's with the 20 MHz bandwidth limit on and we bandwidth limit off and you can see notice that the offset changes there.
but I Don't know if we have actually this unit's been calibrated, run through its automated calibration routine or not. I'm not sure what's going on there, but that's that's rather interesting that 20 MHz bandwidth limit and we're getting some high frequency spiky stuff there. that's that's rather, that's rather unusual. All right, we may have an explanation for, uh, that bandwidth uh thing here.
this is um early Hardware this is not uh production Hardware so uh, don't take that as uh um yeah, an issue that uh would be in the production Hardware so we won't know we'd have to test some production Hardware But there you go. It is running the latest firmware though. but I have been uh, reliably told it is old hardware and of course yes we have the waveform uh gens down here and uh output on off it's uh dual Channel and with Source One frequency and sine wave all sorts of stuff. These are the building waveform sign Square ramp pulse DC noise built-in and are fairly comprehensive.
so uh, really quite nice. It uses the same software I am told as the Uh 4000, the DG um AB software so if you're familiar with that for the 4,000 series AR signal gen then Uh uses the same stuff generate the same AR waveform so really is quite a flexible unit. I Really like it. It uh, really is, um, hugely feature packed, especially for the price.
It looks absolutely phenomenal and it does come in four models apparently that are not upgradable. So the four models are the Uh DS 1104, I.E the 100 MHz version or the 70 MHz version. So there's two bandwidth models and if it has the- s on the end, that's for the Uh dual Channel wave Jam We think we've been arguing here about the price of the wave J I Think it's um, you know, around the 200 or maybe 250 Mark extra for the Dual Channel wave gen. but you can't just buy one channel and if you buy the model The Zed model without the wave gen then you cannot upgrade later. So uh I assume it you know physically does not have the hardware in there so it's not just a license upgrade so you have to Choose Wisely And we believe the base model unit uh, the 70 MHz Uh unit with no Uh Sigg but you know that includes still includes 30,000 waveform updates um, four channels and 12 Meg points memory. Because you can't get a two Channel version of this, it's 4 channel only. it's only. 585 US dollar and uh, you know that's God Absolutely incredible how the market has changed.
Unbelievable price point for what you get these days. Absolutely amazing. But the thing is, um, uh, as a lot of people may know, the Uh Am is cheaper to buy the Ryol products in America than it is to buy them in China And that's because I was just told that there's a 70% tax within China and that's why they're They're much more expensive in there whereas if they export them to America Uh, they get that tax back and don't have to pay it. So that's why they can sell them cheaper in the US than in China where there they originally come from.
Go figure. So all the all you Chinese people are missing out on on the uh on the bargain. Sorry about that. Yeah,.
7 years later and still the most popular entrance scope
This guys voice is so loud…
It should be noted, $585 retail is for the DS1054Z (street price $399 as of this writing). The DS1104z is $830 street price. It should also be noted that the DS1054Z can be "hacked/upgraded" to the DS1104z for $0, meaning you can effectively get the DS1104Z for $399, plus a little elbow grease (which probably voids your warranty as well).
I REALLY want to go with the 2000 series over a 1000Z series, but I HAVE been considering the MSO1074Z or MSO1074Z-S (with the built in 2 channel waveform generator). I'd be doing a lot of work that involves watching the timing of digital output sequences that trigger off of analog RC circuits… Basically, I REALLY would benefit from the MSO version over the DS version of these scopes. I also find 2 channels to be very limiting, and miss the 4 channel from my old job. Between doing three phase motors and 3 hall commutation (job related), and most of my aforementioned digital/analog circuits functioning most commonly in groupings of fours (hobby related)… 4 channels is something I am REALLY set on… I see that there are NO 4 channel variants of the DS2000 or MSO2000 series, and that is a REAL bummer… It would seem that to get 4 channels, and an MSO, AND the more advanced features, it looks like I'd have to jump all the way up to an MSO4000 series, which is WAY too expensive for my budget. The 2000 is honestly too expensive, but I'd have been willing to put off a PC upgrade in my workshop in order to "force" it into my budget.
If it got me a 4 channel MSO2000, I'd be willing to forgo the integrated waveform generator as well, as I could get a stand alone unit for not THAT much more than the add on option, but yeah… It looks to me like I'm really bound to the MSO1074Z-S or MSO1104Z-S. The only difference being, do I pony up for the additional 30 MHz worth of bandwidth and make it a 100 MHz. I rarely work in anything too high in frequency… for now. I DO want to future proof myself, and it's one reason I'm HUGELY bummed there appears to be no 4 channel DS or MSO2000 series.
I'd actually be VERY interested in a comparison video between the DS or MSO1000Z and the DS or MSO2000 models, and what limitations the 1000Z has in comparison to the 2000, and what the 2000 does better.
Don't suppose there have been any rumors of a 4 channel option in the 2000 series for the future? I'd likely be saving up for a year anyway. I can dream…
I would like to see an in depth review of this scope, since I want also to purchase one.
I really like your critique style and how you find all those small hidden details which do matter for different use cases.
And thanks for preventing me purchasing the Owon 😀
Best regards, 🙂
Signed multimeters… Now THAT is something I like!
I can see that you do not understand why they are designed that way…
you need differential probes.
Most in China probably know how to design well, they just also know there's lots of profit to be had in the cheap end of the market, so they chose to design for that.
I've been waiting for them to do an acceptably good 4ch 100MHz scope. The DS1104B is just not worth investing in these days, but the next one up they do is the DS4014 for £2000 which is not affordable to the hobbyist.
I didn't put them there!
Beauty, nice stuff,
If you really want to you can bypass the Wall pretty easily. Not a problem at all
Saw this scope on the Emona stand as well. Very impressive when you consider less that $1k. 4 channels is a really nice if you want to do SPI decoding or trigger off some GPIOs while monitoring some other voltages.
Thanks Dave, yea I noticed it too!!! I have been using this scope for 2 months and they have quite many things bugging me… annoying, but its relieving to know this.
Excellent, great comment, made me laugh. But then, how can I heat the shack without them:)
They are double the price, and for good reason. You get what you pay for and I would prefer to not waste money on something that sort of meets my needs. I am looking to buy a DSO in the next few months and I am disciplined enough to save twice the money for something that will last with no regrets.
Ah darnit… the options I'm debating between have now grown to be the Agilent DSOX2012A, Rigol DS2102, and Rigol DS1104Z-S… Kind of see it respectively as: expensive/reliable vs memory-depth vs lower-quality/4-ch/wavegen
Did you ask them if they put a little overheating voltage regulator in those too? 😀
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Nice gear to add to my wishlist
quick look? don't turn it on, take it apart! 🙂
ringol is racist
I still think the Agilent is the better scope for the money. I would rather save the $600 and put it towards a 2000 series Agilent. I don't have money to throw around buying a scope every few years, so when I plunk down the cash for something as important as a scope, it had better be good enough to last me 10+ years without the yearning for something better.
Love the signed multimeter, ha
Nice. I'll have to remember this one. I wonder how Lecroy & Tektronix manage to sell their low-end stuff looking at this.
Sure, you have a 3 channels + trigger scope in that case. And you can view and capture the trigger signal as a bonus.
As me being not an expert ask, don't you miss the external trigger at the 1000Z series?
Even the 1052E had it. Isn't that a feature which should be there? Or people usually can get by without that?
$600 4-ch scope with all the bells and whistles? I hope this trend continues…..