Extended commentary on PCB surface mount wave soldering on the Fluke 91 Scopemeter.
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And incidentally, you'll notice the largest solder pads on these outer pins of all of these chips. and they're uh, solder thieves. Uh, they go under various names, but this is designed to be wave soldered and you can tell this board has been uh, wave soldered instead of Reflow soldered. You know, if you look over some the power stuff over here, it's clearly you know.
had the molten wave just go right over this thing and the idea of these uh, so obviously all the components need to be glued uh down for that to take place. and then these, uh, just ensure that you don't get uh solder dags happening between pads. you just get as the solder wave goes over this thing, you actually get a larger pad on the end allows you to capture any excess solder that's coming off like that. You should be able to see there how the solder is all the way up these legs of all these parts.
So that's a dead giveaway. how you can tell that a molten solder bath has gone over this thing cuz it's just plated those legs right up there. Whereas if it was Reflow soldering, if you just had solder paste on the pads, you'd of course only get the Reflow down on the pins down there and you can see the glue oozing out the bottom of the package there holding the device down. So you just, uh, don't see boards like you know SMD boards like this.
Uh, wave soldered like this anymore. it's just all gone. uh, almost exclusively. uh Reflow uh, you know infrared uh or other Reflow Soling cuz it's much more controlled.
Much nicer when you got a hot molten solder bath just passing over this. All of these components just picture, you know, big blobs of molten solda just going right across the board like this and you end up with quite a a messy board. It's hard to get on camera, but you know all the joints are messy and and all the components have to be individually glued down. It's just, it's a really horrid uh process.
I'm glad they've done away with it. Now the idea with solder Fein Pads like these these larger pads on the outside. Let's say that the Uh board travels through the soldering wave in this direction. Okay, so the wave is coming across like this and then behind it.
it's bubbl in like this as it goes across and it's dragging the solder across all these pins. just like the drag drag solder in technique you've seen in the videos. and when it gets to this side over here, when the all the bubbling boiling solder is being dragged across these last two pins, if they're the same size pads then you can actually get a a you know, a bridge, a solder short between those two pins. But if this pin over, if this pad over over here has a solder Fe on it, it's a solder feing pad then the solder inherently wants to go towards that larger pad and stay there.
so as the board travels through like this, it ensures that there's no short between those last two pins there. So ideally, in this case, if the solder uh is flowing in this direction like this, or the board is moving in this direction so to speak, then you don't actually need the th in pads on this end. If you know the direction your board or your panel is traveling through the wave soldering machine, you only need those on one end. but just as a matter of course, they just put them on both ends just in case you want to whack the board around the other way. But ideally, if you're doing this properly, you should know the direction or you're laying out your board for way solder. And you should know your direction of board travel whether it's this direction or that direction. Because ideally you want the pads to be in this direction. If this chip was oriented like that and you put your board through the wave soldering machine like this, that's not a good idea folks.
And same thing with your uh, surface mount components like this. You want them so you want your Ic's in this orientation so the solder drags over the pins like that. And ideally you also want your Um passive components like this mounted in the vertical Direction These ones here WS Necessarily solder as well and as consistently as one in this vertical orientation when the board moves through. W Soldering like that just because it forms a well, like there's a cavity behind it.
Like that when it travels through the wave soldering. as the last bit of solder goes over and it may, there's a chance very slight one. it may not take as well as it would on a vertical oriented passive component. And that's why if you have a look at the board, it's no coincidence that all of the chips are pointed in this direction like this.
none are mounted in the vertical direction. That means the board passes through the wave soldering process like that, and very often the designer of the board will actually, uh, put on the silk screen a big arrow pointing in the direction of board travel. but I can't seem to find any solder Direction marker there at all. If you actually have a look at some of these chips here, you can see that the right hand side pins actually have more solder on them than the left hand side pins there.
That means that this board has passed through the wave soldering process like this. So imagine the this is this Center marker. Here is the bubbling boiling wave solder. It's going here and these left hand pins are hitting the solder first and then they're dragging across like that and then you're you end up with via that process I Said earlier.
Where it you know you need a larger pad on the end of the chip to determine where the solder naturally uh, flows through onto that last pin so you don't get a short. Then that's why you get a little bit more solder on those pins at that end on the right hand end of the chip there. So clearly this board we know exactly which direction it's G through the wave soldering process. Neat.
That red glue under the components is super tuff stuff. It feels like they're welded and trying to remove those components using hot air station is tough.
How often would it kill chips?
This was very helpful. Thank you Dave.
You basically just covered everything I've just read in an SMT book. Thanks.
does the plastic like material on the top of the trimpots not melt when the wave goes over?
why would you chose to go for wave soldering? was it cheaper back then? just seams like a messy way to go. was solder paste more expensive? edit: I understand why you would solder boards that are entirely through hole but, boards that are mostly surface mount , it just doesn'
t sound like the best choice.
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I see wave soldered boards on a daily basis. I clean and maintain an Electra Wave solder machine at work. It makes quite nice joints, but it does bridge smaller ICs a lot. Hence our touch up stations to ensure the solder quality.
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very interesting. thank you!
I feel like there is some really obvious thing missing here. Do they flip the board over to solder it? How do all the components not fall off? How does the solder not burn them? What if some components have metal in places other than pins?
"The board have plenty of through hole components on the oppsite side (solder pads in the same side of SMD), so cannot figure the way solder using reflow,"
One option is make a tray which masks off the areas where the surface mount components are so that you can wave solder the through hole stuff without impacting the surface mount stuff.
I've also heard there are machines that can apply wave soldering to only small parts of a board.
Err that is not a British accent! Nice video sir.
Nice educational video!
One question : How do they solder the really tiny stuff like cell phone boards?
It's cool how the Brits pronounce the "l" in Solder….
Thanks for this. I keep living and learning.
That's why they're glued to the PCB. Something needs to hold the chips to the board while it's upside-down.
So well explained, Dave for president!
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@ceecrb1 and @tarsius4 . With the greatest respect, I do not see why everyone with a "special" problem should be pandered to. If I had one leg, I wouldn't dare ask a shoe shop to sell me 1 shoe. Dave's videos are long because they need to be. Try and find 30 mins of big money video with actual content. Maybe your attention is drawn to the flashy lights and sounds of every thing else available, rather than the hard bits you can't understand. Forgive me for being terse, but please!
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I will try and split out videos were I can. This one was a classic example. An already long video, with a 6 minute tangent on wave soldering that has appeal outside of the teardown. So it was a natural to just split it out.
I agree that some (many?/all?) of my videos do "go on a bit", and that's the nature of the off-the-cuff style. I think I'm getting better at it, and more concious of time. The trade off is being able to keep the off-the-cuff style, and avoid retakes if possible, or doing any sort of rehearsing/scripting. The quick and polished videos you see on youtube take a lot of time to produce, so the trick is to get as close to that without having to do all the work…
Nope, I use old reels of whatever was left over from various work jobs.
Instead of wave solder move, view the larger accumulation of solder as the board leaving the solder bath.
The board have plenty of through hole components on the oppsite side (solder pads in the same side of SMD), so cannot figure the way solder using reflow, I understood that reflow cannot handle large through hole components pads, a big conector por example. If SMD were on the top, it would be reasonable to use reflow first, then insert the through ones and make a second pass using wave soldering on the ther side while SMD on the top.. Shame you need to glue the components, and the owen the epoxy