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Dave lists the 5 unwritten rules of Open Source Hardware (OSHW), that have essentially been around since the very early electronics magazine project days.
These are over an above the legal obligations under whatever license is used.
#1 Don't clone. Innovate.
#2 If you sell it, you support it.
#3 Consider giving the original author a cut
#4 Respect the wishes of the original author
#5 Don't use the original authors name or project name (but do credit them)
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Dave lists the 5 unwritten rules of Open Source Hardware (OSHW), that have essentially been around since the very early electronics magazine project days.
These are over an above the legal obligations under whatever license is used.
#1 Don't clone. Innovate.
#2 If you sell it, you support it.
#3 Consider giving the original author a cut
#4 Respect the wishes of the original author
#5 Don't use the original authors name or project name (but do credit them)
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Hi I thought I'd Talk about Open Source Hardware Again, or more importantly, the unwritten rules of Open Source Hardware Because there are actually a bunch of Unwritten rules that aren't really spelled out anywhere. but in general, everyone or the majority of the community like to follow. So a lot of people uh, either don't know these exist or think they can get away by, you know, not following them. So I thought I'd list them down and have a quick discussion about it now.
Oh, these these rules are not. uh, you know they're not Ironclad but they've been followed for a long time. Before Open- Source Hardware was around, or before it was called Open- Source Hardware or Open Hardware These same rules Come way back before I was even born back in the magazine. uh, electronic magazine project days.
so there's nothing new here at all. Open Source Hardware It's been around for a hell of a long time. Rule Number one: Don't clone innovate. Do Not just take somebody's design files and produce an exact duplicate copy or clone of it.
It is not the done thing to do. Yes, you're legally able to do it. That's the technically the beauty of Open Source Hardware Because there's no non-commercial license attached to it. You can take the author's original design files and produce a copy.
But should you? No, you shouldn't because you haven't contributed to anything. You haven't contributed to the community and to the art of that. Pro And the progress of that particular project. Make some changes.
Improve it. change the look and feel, the usability, the form factor, all sorts of things. If it had reliability problems, fix those. If it had that, you know, improve specs.
Whatever it is. Don't clone innovate, because if you just clone, you are not going to be popular. You're legally allowed to do it. But not many people are going to like you.
That's not how the community is going to advance it needs. Innovation And no, simply manufacturing and selling the thing at a lower price is not innovating. You're just undercutting the original author. That's not good karma.
It's not a good thing to do do and you're not going to be very popular in the industry. It's just not done. Don't do it. That's not innovating.
Make some real changes. Rule Number two: If you sell it, you have to support it. Don't leave it up to the original author to support the thing in terms of email requests for when things go wrong. or don't leave it up to the original authors.
Uh, support Forum or the community support Forum By all means use that support an an existing support Forum but use it with permission and contribute to it as well because if you're selling it, you really need to support it otherwise you're not going to build a good name for yourself. Rule Number three: If the original author doesn't want to sell a kit for their project, that's quite common. They just Rel design it, prototype, release the design info. beautiful and well, you might want to go. Hey I that kit I Want to sell a kit or a finished product for it. The rule is you should give them a cut for it. just a small token. Cut doesn't have to be large.
Just give them a cut because they're the ones who design the thing. You would never be able to make a scent on that if they hadn't done all the leg work. Once again, you're not legally obliged to do it, but it's good karma and it will also mean that the original author might support you. Awesome! Hey, you know you're not selling it I'd like to sell it I'll give you a small little cut.
You endorse me as your official supplier. Everyone wins. Everyone's happy. Nice big.
Community Rule Number four: Respect the wishes of the original author. If they approach you and say, hey, can you please change this or remove this or you know, don't sell this or whatever, then please respect them. Once again, you may not be legally obliged to do that, but it's good. Community Spirit To do that once again, you would not be where you are if it wasn't for the original author's design.
Please respect them. Rule Number five: Don't use the original author's name or their project name without permission. Ask them first if that's okay. and don't go search the trademark database.
Oh look, they haven't trademark that name. Woohoo! I'm legally allowed to do it. No, it's not the way it's done in the industry. And don't take advantage of their name and their reputation unless you have permission.
It's bad karma. Don't do it and just be very careful how you attribute them as well, because you're legally obliged to attribute them in, uh, most licenses. so you're going to have to do that. but be very careful how you put their name on your board.
You probably even don't need to do that at all. It should be in the documentation somewhere you know they get a mentioned. Here's the original designer. Go check out their design.
So just be very careful how you use their name and how you attribute it because you don't want people to accidentally think that it's associated with the original author. So there you go. There's the five Unwritten Rules of Open-source Hardware They're pretty basic Common Sense stuff that pretty much follow the Golden Rule treat people how you would like to be treated in return. and this is over and above the legal obligations you've got based on the license uh, which is mostly uh, giving attribution to the original author and re-releasing your design files as well under the same license.
And there's quite a few people out there who ask, well, why can't the Open Source Hardware Community just embrace the non-commercial clause in, say, the Creative Common License. If everyone released it non-commercial then everyone would be legally obligated. you can't copy it, and to be Rock Solid legal and you could sue somebody's ass if they try and clone you or something like that. The reason why the Open Source Hardware Community don't endorse the non-commercial clause in a license is because it it would just stall the whole industry. It would just die flat because then, uh, people would not be able to build upon existing designs and then legally release them. It'll actually be a whole legal mindfield and the whole thing is just fall apart. It wouldn't work, sounds great in principle, but in practice you have to just release it not using a non-commercial license and then it's better off everyone just following the unwritten rules. and the Golden Rule.
So there you have it, some basic Unwritten rules which you're not legally obliged to follow, But if you don't then you're not going to end up with a good name, a good reputation in the open source hard industry, and quite frankly, you're not going to go very far. Catch you next time.
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thanks Dave, good words to live by!
Cheap china clones all bad? I don't think so, for they make Arduino boards, etc more accessible to
studends with low income. That is a good thing in my opinion. Getting
the price as low as "well i could buy some cheap vodka and forget my
troubles or i coult buy an arduino board and learn something" is
something worth thinking about.
And i see a contribution to the community as well here: more people will have access. More minds will contribute software or ideas. Maybe i am stressing the price issue a little, but it counts. I am currently retrained as an engineer for automation technology and thus have a quite marginal income. Genuine Arduino boards are off the menue for the next to years. Thanks to bad karma chinese factories i am still able to build a project here and there. I simply cannot afford a 328p breakout board for $25 and buy the necessary components to build whatever rushed my mind.
There are manufacturers in China sell Arduino Mini for a dollar with data cable, unbelievable.
Dave lists the 5 unwritten rules of Open Source Hardware (OSHW)?????? OSHW???
what about arduino clones? They are very useful.
What's hilarious is that in Dave's previous "Open Source Hardware" video, he went on and on about how It's totally ok (and no negative karma or anything) over taking the design files and going into direct competition with the creator(without changing a thing).
Oh and of course…."If someone wants to use it in a nuke, you can't stop them" in video 1. Video 2 on the other hand? "If the original creator asks you to change this or not sell that, then please respect their wishes".
Singing a different tune only 1 year and a day later.
Guess you got slapped on the wrist by the people who take the Open source hardware "definition" seriously.
Trademarks don't need to be registered to be protected. It's just much easier to deal with violators if you registered it.
There is one problem with your rant is that people who cant afford the orginal but can afford the clone. if the clone cant be made cheaply then the people that cant afford the orginal are lost to the community.
You are such a beautiful mind sir!
I 'd apply these rules to all hardware development to be fair, not just open source stuff. If you make something, make it either different or better, in one way or another (cost or features ).
Bre Pettis = bad karma
It would be great if the company that produces the SaintSmart boards would know that
Ethics would be a better term than 'rules'. Eventually, the cloners will fade away.
These rules are my golden rules now.
Rule #5 is cool, the rest … well once you "give it away" – it's no longer yours – so if you have a problem with 1 though 4 – don't give it away. There will always be people who will take advantage and that's life.
If I put out something to open source and you copied it exactly – well that's a compliment – go ahead. If you can improve it – great too. You can learn by copying – even exactly. Dave you're full of it this time. 😉
Damn, I think Chinese cloners' karma is off the scale already.
these rules are just common sense but it seems to be uncommon sense in this day and age :p
All bout context I'm sure Dave meant don't clone if you clone for your own profit. Highly unlikely anyone is going to design an entirely identical complex project someone else has. That's way different that from those occasions 2 people have come up with the same single simple idea in a close time frame while separated by distance. In the context of this video it's not difficult to know how to accredit if you are copying their work. You are stretching for excuses to refute these "rules"
They don't? I think you have a very good 'teaching' voice (you speak calm and explain things very thoroughly) and sometimes you make me laugh a little by how you react to certain things.
I hope you keep doing these videos for a long time!
Greetings from the Netherlands 🙂