Hi I'm here with uh Colin Mitchell from Talking Electronics Fame Everyone in Australia will instantly recognize the name Colin Mitchel and he talking Electronics magazine and if you want to know I get asked all the time where I learn electronics and how I learn Electronics Well this man had a big hand in it so thank you very much Colin Good that's lovely to see Talking Electronics I Learned a lot of electronics from the talking Electronics magazine and we're here. Colin's going to take us through some old stuff and we're going to talk about the history of talking Electronics now I Just want to mention this little this particular episode right now: I didn't particularly want to spend a lot of money on printing the magazine and having all that expense of of writing the magazine and actually laying it all out. so I went to electronics Australia and I what date was this? 19855 is the letter I've got and I just can't remember just how advanced I was. But the basic concept was that I went to them and I said look instead of me putting out this magazine being in competition with you what I suggest is that I want to put in, say, 24 pages in the middle of your magazine as a pullout section I Didn't particularly want to have advertising in it so that that people can understand just simple projects and maybe I could back them up with a kit because there wasn't real.

There wasn't kits in those days. As such, they were Dick Smith doing kits that time? No, no, he wasn't No, no, they were probably doing a few odd kits. They had fun ways in fun ways and things. but but they didn't really specialize in having the kit from.

Electronics Australia in that month they might have had to put circuit board cuz I went along to electronics and I asked him that does he sell Electronics Australia kits he said oh we don't have any kits from them but they do send us down print circuit boards each month and they they're there available and the people can make up the kit by going around the store making the making the making the kit I said well how many hundred kits do you sell from each of the kits per month he said col hundreds he he said we get 20 boards I said oh well that's good. 20 boards from each kit and and how many you s said come and I'll show you So we went upstairs in the shop, upstairs in the shop and had a great big tray, a big tray this High the size of a table with hundreds of printed circuit boards on all in plastic bags and he said they're the boards I said well how many he said maybe one or two. So I looked at them they had no overlay on them. no Legend no um um tinning.

they were just no tinning, just bare copper. Wow. But the worst part was is is that they had no numbers or names on them except EA 4176 stroke32 4974 Who knows, not a name on it. not even the name of the kit, just a number.

Well how on Earth could you work that out? That's crazy. that's Madness So I realized I learned my lesson. never do that. So I was the first person even in those days to put a legend on all the boards yep to Tin them and and also to put solder mask on them.

Oh solder mask was wow, that was. That's right. no one did it, it was all available. None of the boards did it.

they were just bare copper. So anyway, that go ahead of the point. before all that I went along to electronics Australia and I send them a letter to say that I didn't particularly want to spend all the money on a magazine. What about putting in 24 pages of pullout section and I got a letter back.

This is, uh, the reign of Jim Row? Yes, that's right. Yes, Jim Jim Row sent me a letter back. um, just sort of saying that oh, you know that all the costs involved in putting in these 24 pages and things like that and not terribly happy about it. But if you want to go ahead with it, look, we consider it he said.

but on the second page he said but um, um, just in case you don't turn up with the goods, the 24 pages there will be a figure of seven: $1,500 fine fine. now $7,500 In those days, my car cost me $3,500 No, it was two cars. In other words, he didn't want you to do it that was I wasn't prepared. So so 3 or 4 years later he saw me, he came down, saw me and he said oh, you probably didn't like uh what I wrote in the letter I said I certainly didn't I I never replied I didn't want to have the embarrassment replying or saying anything but the shock of 7,000 500 fine was astronomical.

Oh, that's amazing. Oh yes, because the magazine only cost me, um, less than $5,000 for for 10,000 copies about 4050 cents a copy. So you can imagine a $7,000 fine was a huge amount in those days. So that's the main thing.

I'm just saying this that you know there's always more than one way of doing business. always more than one way. If if something goes wrong, always say well, you've learned a lesson y there was a there's a reason for that and the reason was I started my magazine and it succeeded. It was a huge success I sold hundreds of thousands of kits.

they're one of the biggest Kit makers. Until the others came here, they saw how many kits I was making and then um uh well J car started up again Gary Johnson bought bought J car and he did the kits and of course then we've got um Electronics he started making the kits and of course they did. They made Electonics Australia kits and ETI kits and they were quite successful. So I had did have competition but I I knew that I had my own kits and they were totally different kits so were very simple kit but we did sell many many I think it was about 30,000 FM bug just of the end just of the just of the end.

just the end cuz we put the board on the magazine. it was a very cheap board and and I I didn't particularly like it but the manufacturer had very thin paper Baker like board. then he said look I'll do the boards for 5 cents for you and five cents Five cents Yes Wow! I always wondered what was the motivation for putting the PCB on the front 5 cents because because it was just cost it was so cheap you figured as well. yes well the expensive part was sitting down and actually sticky taping them on.

You know you can only do a few hundred an hour and I was there every night doing a couple hundred an hour and I had people coming around $5 an hour, just hours and hours of work or 20,000 magazines to put them on. and then of course we had PC boards that were stapled on yes I remember the and I designed the stapling machine to to push the pedal because you need an enormous amount of pressure to push those Staples two Staples at a time and I had a very big leverage on the actual mechanism. had huge leverage so you custom built that just for one one. uh we we had two machines.

We had two machines and you could read, jig it for each magazine or put a common tool. That's right, the holes are always in the same place so the magazine always fitted in the spot. The board went on and the two Staples went down at the same time. We had two two used old television cabinets to mount the staplers on.

We had two staplers on it on each machine and we had to have two machines because you had to do 20,000 and it took weeks and weeks to do it. But another a little bit of um engineering that I designed those stapling machines to to staple those Staples on. and uh they were 50 cents aboard because they were uh glass the fiberglass. That's right they were and they good quality and they had um they they had overlay I don't think they didn't have solder Mas yeah no they have.

um they didn't have sold the mask but they had tin. They were tinned right. they were tinned but not sold the mask and they had an overlay on them and they 50 cents AB board if it 20,50 and who made the boards? well I had three different people making them, one was better than the other and I had different manufacturers all beating each other in the price. but the local man he really boomed because it was cash and it was a $20,000 or 20,000 board.

Uh, production line and uh you can just imagine in those days they had quad drills and they could only drill I think three or four deep and four of them four. They had boards all multi multi about eight eight boards on a panel. but there were quad drills and you can imagine uh, hundreds of holes in each one and just doing the same board for 20,000 There was weeks of work but they did it y they did it and we got through and they were huge success and it started people off cuz the boards from overseas again. the English magazine had them.

no overlay on them, no tinning, just pure copper. no identification on them at all. it was just I I've still got the boards because it wasn't a pleasure making them, it was just really the boards. They weren't a very good project anyway, but it just wasn't worthwhile making the things because it just didn't finish up.

All our boards finish up Beautiful. All finished up the the best you could do in those days. So it was a huge advancement we did. We did actually start a few uh uh, Orig original ideas.

the printer circuit board was one and the other thing was to have no least or no advertising in it. Yes I know you were very and you like to talk about that in the magazine too you like to tell readers about I remember you giving stories? yes because uh what happened is that I did a little bit of uh work with one of the magazine people and what I particularly didn't like was that the first thing they did they laid all the the sheets out all all the pages are all laid out on a huge table and the first thing that came along with the advertising people put all their layout all on the magazine right and he turned around to to to me and a couple of now fill the holes. oh and I thought that's what they treat you like right All the editorial all the most important material is just fill now fill the holes. Now that was their attitude and I and I said I will never ever present that attitude to people that I'm just writing on the back of your ass.

Yeah so that's the reason why I I wrote no or very little advertising because I didn't like you're thumbing through Electronics Australia or any of those magazines and in fact what I've done is I've taken the hundreds of magazines I had which filled up all these shelves here I took out all the Articles and the articles are only this High all the rest I put in the bin now I've sorted them out all into into articles out of all those probably 4 M High finished up that much much worth of Articles Oh fantastic, How How did you produce the magazine back in those days? CU There was no computer so it was all just literally you would on a typewriter. On a typewriter we called electronic typewriter. It had a memory in it right? Um, and it was all hand done, all stuck down. Every little tiny thing was all uh El down with glue that horrible cow gum.

But of course the cow gum makes all the paper brown right? Y And so all the artwork I've got now is absolutely worthless. ruined. It's it's all brown. it's as brown as a berry now.

and uh, even though the pieces have all stuck down, some of those circuit diagram would have had over a 100 little stick Downs because everything had to be stuck down all ELR seted. Yep, because Electret was very expensive. So we finished up typing out those all those different symbols and just sticking them down as separate items. But that's all we had.

Wow! and that's why you handrew a lot of you. handw wrote a lot of your like your 10minute digital. well that was another concept on on that grid idea. That was another concept I had seen it somewhere else and the other person said oh, you copied me I said well of course I copied you cuz the that was the um the man from from America oh Forest Mims yes that's right, copied from Engineers mini notebooks.

That's right, that's right. so that I had the the hardly original though. oh no, his was original. but I I got 100 sheets printed with a very gray back, gray stipple and with a black board around I got 100 sheet printed and of course when you write on you can't afford to make a mistake because any any white out is showing so so be very careful to write to the page.

It was a lot of work. Did you draft them first? no I just sat down, sat down and carefully thought about that's right and worked it out to the page. Y and uh, it takes a lot of time because you had to do it all by hand with with a with a a very fine tip black tip pen. You couldn't make a mistake and you had to think about it.

but it was very successful. It was another concept of teaching someone because some people people are visual. some people want to see diagrams and drawings. and of course now that we've got videos, it it.

that's going to teach a lot more people because a lot of electronics people may not be able to work out the square root of minus 4. But they can certainly make a project Absolutely. And they can sold it. And they can think so that there are there.

People have a certain ability so you got to Cotton on to that ability and and say look, once you learn Electronics you made you are absolutely made because you can go into servicing design, you can go into so many areas and you don't have to be a brilliant engineer. You don't have to even be able to know the English language backwards is. but Electronics is a different field. Well, it's a practical field as long as you can build something and possibly reproduce.

It's something we we we can't put our finger on. Yep, because some of the cleverest people that I've that I've had are just the average person that has come along. but absolutely brilliant Electronics but only did very average in school. Yep, so they're the people that we we're trying to encourage and with videos and all these different areas and it sometimes these people click and they say hey, that's for me and the younger you get it's wonderful.

but whatever the age is, if you can just click on electronics you can make it and become successful and that's what we're all here for. That's why we've got all these different areas and and videos and and and the internet and all these different areas that people can just pick up on electronics. Do you have any idea of what your demographics were back in the Heyday What what age groups people were? Was it mainly young people? It was mainly kids. That's right.

Who saw the magazine in the news agent? cuz this is before the before the internet kitties. Yes, we didn't. you see agent. My idea is to get the person very very young and bring them up to that level.

That's the level that's never covered by any of the institutions, never covered by the universities or any of the technical schools. They all want you to to know something. or they teach you far too much mathematics and then it. It slows you down.

You think all this math? I You don't need it. if you want to do in something, put the resistors in, put them in parallel, measure it, and you find that You' spend 10 minutes working out the value and only a fraction of a second to to measure on a meter. Why learn if resist in triple calul, why learn triple calculus and Maxwell's equations and everything else you know. Okay, it's wonderful to be able to have that ability, but I'm just saying you can get through without it.

You can get through with just using test equipment and you can do amazing things with the simplest of test equipment. Absolutely. So you don't need expensive things you can do with experimentation and developing things. So that was my area to just teach people just to bring them up without expensive equipment and and complicated circuit diagrams just to teach them the basics.

And it was a huge success because we sold where we were one of the biggest Kit suppliers. hundreds of thousands of kits. That's right, very successful. How many? how many copies of each issue? well were there did you produce and well, what happened is that we we we.

We printed 20,000 You see what happened is that I went to electronics Australia and I said well, how many copies to your sell and they said our readership is 72,000 So I thought oh well, if that's 72,000 look I'll just print 20 or 25,000 and uh, see how it goes. So we sold out of the 25,000 we sold about 14,000 Yep. and I thought that was fair enough because I'm only dealing with a very small, very small area. No Amors, no, none of the people in audio.

There's a whole lot of areas that we didn't cover. didn't cover the high technicians things like that. Then I was had a few magazines out and then I found the truth with the electronics. Australia When they say 72,000 with their readership, they multiply the sold copies by 2.3 Why 2.3 That was just the way they did the magic number H That's right, so that when they were trying to sell advertising, they set our readership of 72,000 So divide 72,000 by 2.3 so that's less than half.

So that's 35 30,000 You won't? You won't be surprised to know I've learned the same thing once. I've got into this business and or advertising everything else. I It's still going on today in the lies and deception. That's right.

So that's the reason why I only tell the truth. it's absolutely pointless. Readership is a pointless figure. How many sold copies I sold about 14,000 So what happened is that the other um, 6 or 8,000 that weren't sold? I' got about 3 or 4,000 back I had to pay for them 5 cents a copy but they said they said the other ones were lost I know they were sold and I didn't get it right.

So that was why the news agents make a fortune. because they don't have, they normally get 25% They get 100% when they say that that they they haven't sold stolen. Have you ever seen a news agent go under? They don't because they living off all the magazines. So I got back uh, about 60 or 70,000 by the time I I've done a lot of magazines and a lot of other ones.

So what? I decided to do I decided to put them into packs of two and three now. I Remember that yep, you sold them off and we sold them again to To the To the People for a few dollars for three magazines so that every single magazine was sold. we didn't waste any. Yep, so the whole we we printed about 20,000 multipli by about 25 different uh issues mhm and some of them were reprinted again.

So overall I think there was about between 500 to 700,000 copies were actually sold because even the ones that were stolen from the shop, they were still sold. Copy: Somebody got them in the Finish because the news agent uh just just couldn't account for them. So that was a huge success. There Was You Did you find that your readership increased with No, it pretty much was.

Con: Yes, that's right, it didn't change. Yes, it didn't change. So some after about the ninth or 10th issue, somebody said to turn put color on the cover right. So on the 10th issue for the that's right, you changed the right.

so put four four color cover Four Color How much $2 or $3,000 more you had to get separations and it was a four-c color machine instead of a two-c Col machine. All right, so it it cost quite a few thousand doll more. Do you know it didn't increase the sales? Really? Yes, we only did it for one or two times and then we back went back to two color, right? It didn't change I Just wanted to prove to people that Electronics people not interested in color. no content.

That's right, it's all about the content. so that the wonderful thing we get now from Silicon Chip that is the top magazine in the world. Yep, the color, the quality of the paper, the articles in fact EPA The the English magazine is just stealing the content whole as Bowlers there there's a licensing agreement between the two theyers. it's it's all Jim's row and it's all 10y old stuff that's all going in there.

It's directly directly inserted and it's improved their magazine considerably exactly. But um England did have a very good magazine. Macklin magazine was all color. They couldn't keep it up because right, it was too expensive, right? The overheads were too much, right? How many how many magazines were were they were there in? Australia Back in the peak Four Five there was Elector Elector That that wasn't Australian though yes, it was.

Was it? Yes, they did. Austr hands, Man's hands, Hands Mouse Man's hands. He brought it here, hands, hands, Man's or hands brought it here for four or five issues. Okay, he got the license and he reprinted it here.

slight I Never remember seeing it in my news agent only for a few months. Then there was ETI Then there was Electronics Australia Then there was hobby Projects. Oh, was that a separate one that was the competition to me. What happened is that when I got my magazine out, it was only just started to come out.

I don't know where I got the first issue out or not, but um Electronics Australia found out about it and it was Colin Rivers Found out about the magazine and he sent all his men around to all the electronic shops to sell them half price advertising for 12 months. Oh no. so that when I sent my man around I sent Bill around there. he got to the third shop in in the city there and he rang me up and said uh Electronics Austral ETI International has been around and has sold them all advertising for 12 months at half price and they've got no money left over for anything else.

I said don't worry Bill come back and I'll will cut the adverage I won't put any adverage in your talk and will continue on with no advertising at all. So that's that's what happened there. Then what they did is they brought their magazine hobby Electronics in with Phil weight and various other different people. Yes I remember the name and mine was $125 or120 do25 They brought their in for 95 then they started with 30,000 then they brought in there they brought next 40,000 Wow then they flooded it with 50,000 Then after 6 months Conor Rivers rang me up and I remember sitting in the room the phone rang, he said Colin River's here and he said you've won the day and I said what do you mean he said ah well we're pulled out Yep uh with the magazine it cost us40 or $50,000 and they running at a loss.

Were they or obviously they were. They had veral advertising in it but they wanted to knock me because they just didn't want the competition. I said it's made no difference to me I still sell my 10 to 14,000 It's made no difference to me cuz I knew it was competition and they W cuz there only ETI in electronics Australia was there Australian Electronics monthly back then that that was taken off that was a a another one that was taken from um the man who had a son as well in electronics he he yes he had a son um he did a lot writing for the magazine and that was a takeoff cuz one of them he left somewhere else and he started Australian Electronics monthly from etier Harr Roger Harrison I think could Anyway he had a son he wrote A Few articles as well. so that um they and silicon chip of course left elect austr about 87.

was it 8 I don't remember something. yeah they started that's right and that was all full color because that's been a huge success and of course that that was the one that really killed Electronics Australia and killed um ETI yep and killed Australian Electronics monthly whatever changed its name well Federal Publishing killed it. They tried to turn it into a glossy consumer magazine I did all the customers right it originally theyig and they cut out all the technical articles and all hobby things. All hobby stuff was gone and just CD player reviews and all sorts of stuff and it it lasted about five issues or something And then it just died.

So no. The Silicon chip is is brilliant, is absolutely top quality. For a tiny country like Australia they're very successful. Those notebooks were very successful.

The Engineers: Electronics notebook starting with TTL There we go and these are all. Um, these are all hand. Yeah, some of the pages were hand done, some of the pages were hand drawn. There we go.

all handrawn stuff. Fantastic. Oh and then you just photo reduce these obviously redu too much. They reduced to 50% It was too much.

You can only reduce something to 70% Yep, it's still readable 50% It's it wasn't readable. No, yes, that's right. And they don't produce magazines like this anymore. It's all computer desktop publishing.

When did the desktop publishing thing start you? Oh well. my first one was a I. It was about $3 or 4,000 of electronic typewriter Y and it was called uh just will justify so that you type it all out and then you push the button and it would justify It all came out columns was parallel columns and it had a huge memory in the back there to to remember all the CU those days the cards were only a few K Yeah, a few. K That's a couple of pages right? That's all it was.

well need of quite a few K just to produce a page page. Okay, that's right. so it had all this memory in the back. I Paid thousands of dollar extra for the memory and I bought a 300 DPI a laser printer.

it was a Canon Laser Printer which was thousands of dollars and I bought Adobe font on it which was another $1,200 just for the font C for for the font that went into into the machine. so the whole thing was very expensive I think I think my first computer was about 12 or $14,000 Wow for the computer the hard drive was it was a tower uh the keyboard and a quite a few th000 for the 3 300 DPI printer. yep now 300 DPI not not good enough. Yep then I bought for a quar of the price I bought a 600 DPI and it was was quite quite readable.

quite readable. much much better. So from then on I produced the magazines on 600 DPI yep and that that the last magazines are all and you can't tell the difference between photo type set and 600. DP So talking Electronics when how many people did you have working for you at at the peak of the what one say had eight eight and you were still working from home 35 r I built on the back I oh you built on the back Yes I built on the back I Can you have eight people working there on Yes because I had uh, two people in one room, two people in another room, two people in another room and two people in the loung room and I had.

Okay, so the house was fully occupied as a workspace. that yes, yes, I had quite a few rooms in the house I built on it's all separate area at the back there I built on and more different rooms. Yes, excellent. How How how long did that last? that sort of the PE perod it was only two years, only a couple of years.

Okay, it seems to seems to me to be much longer than that from my memory. No, there was a peak. You see you said the peak. It built up and up and up to only two years of peak and then just faded away again.

But it was always a mail order business from home. Wasn't it now? Well, I did I had three inputs I had people coming M Um now what happened is that I employed one boy who who stole some things right so that we dismissed him on the spot. of course his father was Furious rang up the local Council and of course claimed that uh I'm I'm working for premises at the back of the house which is illegal I said well is it illegal they said oh yes, it's illegal to run a shop at the back I said well what's a def definition of a shop? It's well, you've got things on display I said no, that's not a defin def definition of a shop. Uh, the definition of a shop.

is it's got a cash register. Oh right. I said we don't have a cash register There you go. so it's not a shop.

So that was the legal definition. That's how you got around it. Yes, because you can have things sitting out there because we're an assembly Place Y and uh, he said um, well you and the second thing he said oh well I See, you got advertisements here and you're um, promoting your address in the advertisements I said well that's by law I said when you have a mail or business, you must have the address as well. that's part of the law so that doesn't hold water either.

right? So you so that y he he tried to close me down I said well, you can't close me down First of all, I've been here 8 years. Yep. Secondly, the neighbors haven't complained. Mhm.

Thirdly, it's not a shop. Yep, it is purely we are assembling things here and we are designing things for the magazine which is which is not no features of a shop. Yeah, the fact that people come here is because they want to come and buy the stock bu an which we can't refuse them. if they come here, we don't.

We don't say that there's a refusal, can't come because by law you have to allow people to come because otherwise you classify subversive industry if you don't allow people to see what you're doing. subversive industry So interesting. Yes, that's right. So that's how you get around it, right? So that because there are some very nasty people.

Yeah, so that was one thing. um then they tried to bring around um uh, health inspector with with health and things like that and came in. and do you have a first aid kit I said what do you need a first aid kit for I will what are you doing here I said well R So or someone might burn themselves with solding on I said uh fellas, come in here now there there five of you all solding. Now youve been here.

How many years? How many times you burnt yourself? Not so you know they've been here about 20 years all all up Noah burned themselves so far. So why do you need likelihoods low? That's right. So so that you now. Oh he said.

then the second thing, you have to have two toilets. Why do you need two toilet? Oh because it might be. uh, females will. There aren't no females here.

So you got one toilet here and one toilet in the house. So we do have two toilets. So he tried everything to close us down. Uh because health, health and inspection and things like that.

So we got away with it from them. So as I say that you do find some nasty people trying to close you down trying all these tricks, the book and I said that. Isn't it funny that going back those years I said isn't it funny how the government is trying to promote cottage industry because they wanted to stop people from driving all the way to work? Unnecessarily, You're trying to promote cottage industry and then when someone does have cage Indy is trying to close them down I Know it's yeah, it's ridiculous. Is mading.

How do you think things would have changed If Jim R had accepted that thing and you went into who knows, right? Yeah, you probably wouldn't have been a success You would have. You would have I don't know. Well, you might have probably still would have sold. Sold the kids Yes I could have done.

Yes, things could have changed then. but the thing is that it just did die away the whole every year. You could just see it dying away and dying away. Oh it's a shame cuz the Chinese just came on and on and on and just improved.

Everything just improved. Any other stories from the old days thousands of Stories We haven't got tape, we haven't got enough right? Well a young boy came to me and he was in grade six. Another brilliant person but he didn't know at the time of course came to me. Bought a kit on a Saturday morning with his father, pulled up, bought a kit, came back and bought another kit, came back and bought another kit and I lost track and he came back and he wanted I think it was a tech computer I said you can't buy it he said why not I said because you got to make at least eight projects you yes I have I've made a project brilliant Yeah and he and he built the computer and another I I've seen him again another brilliant person but he was in grade six.

Yep when he came that's fantastic. see I had nothing back I had nobody who was interest I my parents well they supported me by you know, letting me do it but they didn't know anything about it. nothing available, nothing. it was only the Tandy stores that's all I had.

all I had was the magazines I could get from my local news agent that I could ride my bike to I remember riding my bike to the news agent cuz you didn't have a regular schedule at all. so I'd ride my bike there a couple of times a week and go to the news agent. Is there a new talking Electronics magazine or is there a new that's oh, a great advancement the whole thing. well just by me the fact that the very first day I I I I sent it to Gordon and gotch they sent it out on Friday and all went to the stores on on on the Friday and on the Monday I got 80 orders in the post W and from that day on I never look back right? cuz the phone kept ringing.

as I said before, there was three ways I got it I got people coming in I got a phone orders the phone never stopped ringing and I got mail each day and that first day I got 80 orders from the mail cuz it was the Friday Saturday and it all came down from from from all the different places I think it went out on a Wednesday or Thursday it was in the in the shops on the Friday the people bought on the Saturday and on the Monday and I that was when it started I never thought it would be so successful cuz nobody ever explained cuz other magazines never backed anything up. as I said from Electronics they're the board he sold two or three out of out of 20 and they were just a total failure. So I knew what not to do and that's what you learned and that's the whole idea, what not to do So whenever you work for somebody, you learn the way they behave and you say you won't behave like that and I learned from my teachers how not to teach cuz when I was a teacher I went along to the education department. they said what subject are you taking I said I'm taking electronics and I'm taking physics and I'm taking mathematics at the technical school he said we need a teach it on Monday down to such and such a school turn up and I went into the class and started teaching the very next day.

No training, no help, nothing at all. You walk in and that's the only I didn't learn what to do I learned what not to do with the way you teach how to teach people how to how to treat people. Yeah, and that's the secret in this life because all those teachers that I had were failures. right? They were failures.

Yeah. I've had so many who couldn't teach anything at all. I'm sitting there. Go and and I I would know the stuff and I'm sitting there shaking my head just going.

oh my. God You know these kids aren't learning anything. You know it's just. and that's why it's so important for you to have these videos.

because each little video teaches one more little thing. little tiny things. That's right. that's the way.

That's the way you do it one little thing at a time and you're building up a library because now it's all identified and that's that's what I did with mine I tried to put a a a a library in the front of all the different words of all the different things we covered and it was just amazing how many topics we' covered. just in those 25 magazin we CED and I puty in the and we just CED so many many and that's why theend is so wonderful because that's where you can learn. You don't have to learn to spend anything on textbooks. Absolutely nothing.

You can do every single thing you want for free. Absolutely not spending one single. Cent You've just got to put the effort in. Just look on the net.

just look on Google and everything is there. It's wonderful. Fantastic. Somebody's put it there for you.

Tons of stuff on your website. I'll put up the link. it's talking Electronics.com Yes. Excellent.

That's right, Thank you very much. I put your link there and and that's the whole thing. And that's what people like too. They like to come to site where there's other links because they just go on and on and on and just spider their way right through to all sorts of different things.

Well I'll see you next time. Thank you very much for sharing your story. It's been a been a pleas wonderful Fantastic! Thanks Colin.