PART 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I55uLRRvLCU
What's inside the FE-5680A Rubidium frequency standard?
Available on ebay for about $50 or so.

Here's a first look inside: I took the bottom uh plate off. that was relatively easy and they've got a custom cut Mya sheet here, presumably to stop any shorts or anything like that and Tada And there's your magic physics package and it's got a lot of other uh uh, control circuitry as well. There's quite a bit in this thing and down in there to connect to the physics package, there's a flat Flex cable which uh, and a little flat Flex board there which takes all the uh, all the signals back up to this part of the board somewhere here, so that's rather nice. There's a fair bit of engineering which has gone into this thing and I can tell you I can still feel the heat the uh, that looks like the discharge lamp and that's the hottest part of it.

There's your resonance cell down there and your photo detector will be somewhere in there as long. and your microwave uh generator as well. So that is the physics package inside a Rubidium frequency standard I Like it all right. Let's take a look at the processing and control circuitry around here.

This one here is an 80 uh 323. It's an 8032, but it's a Dallas semicond inductor part so it's a DS 800c 323 um, classic 8bit microcontroller. This one here is a PSD 813 F and that is a companion device for 8051 type devices. It's got 1 mega flash uh built in.

It's got 256k of EO 16 K of s Ram it's got uh, you know, 30 odd IO ports things like that. Uh, we've got a zyink CLD here that's a um XC 9572 XL and uh, that is the uh processing core or the processing guts of this thing. We've got some analog stuff around here, as well as what looks like a little uh, surface mount uh, coax connector there that might, uh, possibly go out to the front panel although the front panel's all the way at the uh top part of it there. So maybe some sort of uh, test connector and look in here.

What do you know I Instantly recogniz the Ad 9832 programmable DDS signal generator. So it looks like, uh, this thing actually has, uh, the capability to do that. uh, serial programmable frequency I was talking about it and it's even got a Max 232 there to do it. So presumably unless they just disconnect the pins and leave the circuitry there.

um, something like that, then this thing should have that serial input capability I'll have to probe around the pins and try that one out. Awesome! And that looks like some sort of unpopulated uh switch mode converter or something like that. So um, I'm not quite sure, but it's got the big shield around there. possibly uh to put a external Um shield on top of it if they actually had the circuitry there.

There's a couple of bent over 90 to5 pin To220 packages stuffed in there and it looks like they're using that or the entire that which big huge brass metal. um Center piece as the heat sink which connects to the upper and lower cases. so they're presumably um, some sort of drivers for the uh physics uh package here. and there's a third device here, which they've done that too, and a whole bunch of unpopulated stuff around here.
I'm not sure why that's unpopulated. not sure what additional Uh capability that would actually uh, give you, but there you go. That's the um I guess you call this the top side, even though it's probably the underside of the board. uh, technically and uh, it's It's quite neat and that additional capability there with the Uh programmable digitally programmable function gener generator.

Wow. and I have to check that out cuz this one was not advertised as having that capability whereas some of them on eBay do actually advertise that they are serial output capable devices. but I think this one probably is too. And there's the assembly.

Once I've lifted it out, they've got some foam uh, padding here. They've got more circuitry underneath there, and uh, not sure why they've added the foam packaging. just impact protection or something like that. and W jeez, it's almost Chalker block on the bottom of the board or the top side of the board as well.

and it looks like we got some 2941 uh, linear Regulators in there once again boled onto there. Um, as the heat sink. A lot of unpopulated circuitry there. There's another device in there, and a coax running off to, presumably the physics package in there.

that could possibly be the photo cell output or something like that. Who knows. and this is absolutely fascinating. Take a look at it, there's the Uh, the main oscillator in it.

There's the quartz oscillator in a standard can sort of 90 mounted like that, but it's got something on top of it and uh, I'm not sure what that actually is. There's got two little Uh leads coming down from it. Sold it onto there. It's like some sort of Um sensor.

p Is it a thermocouple type device which is measuring the temperature of the act of the can of the Uh oscillator. I'm I'm going to presume that's what it is and these two devices in here are Max 417 highspeed current feedback Op amps and on the end of the board is uh, this connector, which I'm presuming would be a test connector. There's a Max 392 there, which is a multi-channel uh, and log MK So I'm assuming that's sort of, um, some sort of Uh test interface that they hook up when they test and calibrate and uh, program this thing during production. Now, Uh, basically the thing I notice about this board is it's pretty much, um, you know, spared no expense because uh, these sort of things cost thousands of dollars so they just they don't try and uh, cost, optimize the design at all.

They just build in whatever works, whatever they need to get the job done. Whatever. Precision Uh Analog Devices They need not a problem. no I think I'm going to stand corrected on that I think this is the Um RF generator uh section to generate the Uh high frequency output to drive hence the the uh, really fatness of that RF uh cable there I think that is designed to drive dve the Uh physics package that's not the photo cell output, that's the RF output designed to drive that and over here I think is you know the photo cell I think signal probably comes back via this uh ribbon cable here into uh, these bunch of opamps down here and they've got a couple of Uh 10 turn trim pots down there I don't know what that's for tweaking or calibrating the thing or something like that.
And here we've got a couple of Ifu new 220 uh en Channel power mosfets actually uh, soldered directly onto the back of the physics package like that. Neat. Do I sense a slight bdge there with that uh capacitor ver that surface mount capacitor vertically raised up like that with the wire hanging off it. uh I Don't know whether or not not that's intentional or uh, what they've done there.

Yet another linear regulator there hooked onto the main heat sink and that pretty much covers the entire device. really. There's some unusual uh construction techniques in there. It's got the interesting foam, some hand stuff, but I really like it.

It's really quite nice and novel. They've really gone to town. There's quite a lot of uh system engineering which goes into not only just uh, doing the circuit, but doing the physical layout of this thing as well and getting it right and getting it to dissipate the power in that uh package. And you know, making it reliable cuz these things would have to be super reliable, they'd be I presume really stringent uh testing and performance checks on these things.

So there you have it, that's inside the Fe 568a Rubidium frequency standard. Highly recommend you pick one up on eBay uh I've run out of time to build it into a case, so and uh, get it working. So I'm going to have to leave that for future Uh episode. and uh, possibly that serial interface as well.

That's intriguing, but I hope you like that. I'll catch you next time.

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23 thoughts on “Eevblog #236 – fe-5680a rubidium standard teardown”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars S B says:

    Not available on eBay for $50. A more accurate price is more like $180.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Henry Hopkinson says:

    WHY ARE RUBIDIUM STANDARDS REPLACED?

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars wernertrptube says:

    Yes we can put it into an airplane and show Albert ย Einsteins Zeitdilatation.????

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SouthPark says:

    Great video! This particular FE-5680A appears to be one of the non-programmable ones maybe? Not sure. There are other models (with the same model name… FE-5680A) that have a SMA connector (on the same panel as the 9-pin D-connector, but is mounted on the opposite end of the panel) for outputting the sinusoidal signal – usually approximately 8 MHz, 10 MH, or 11 MHz, depending on the unit. The weird thing is the way they have the same model name for different units. Would be interesting to see why they do that.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars funtroller smitty says:

    5k for a can…

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lbochtler says:

    +EEVblog How did the programming work out, i want to use one of these as a cheap master clock for studio purposes, thus id need the range from 44.1KHz to 192KHz out of the frequency standard, and if i recall correctly ill need to convert it to square wave as well.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars turboslag says:

    Prices seem to have dramatically increased since the is vid was made!! These units are now at least ยฃ100 sterling on ebay!!

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brek Martin says:

    Nice ๐Ÿ™‚ Well I'm waiting to see the serial interface worked out!

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Aatheus! says:

    Such an awesome little device! If I had a need for such a stable freq source, I'd be all over it. But receiving WWV is good enough for my needs (adjusting for sound card drift in ham radio applications). Thanks for all the info!

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jake's World says:

    How do you program different frequencies for FE-5680A Rubidium Standard? Do you need separate electronics or is it all built in? I want to make a reference clock for Digital audio use (A Esoteric CD player with clock input). Needed is 44.1khz or 88.2 kHz etc. I would appreciate your advice. Thanks. Jake – England

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Notinthemafia1 says:

    oh and the unit is thermally compensated for frequency over temperature. ie. put in a thermal chamber characterized from -20c to 70C and compensated… More important than the actual temperature is that it is STABLE temperature. Temprature fluctuations will cause a frequency shifts as the ovens adjust.

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Notinthemafia1 says:

    the blue cable actually in this design carries a relatively low frequency which is multiplied using a step recovery diode right at the resonant cavities lid. The bent over regulators are done for space and increased resistance to damage from vibe. This is a non vibe compensated unit but we do make them.
    Any other info you want ask me privately

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Notinthemafia1 says:

    I work for FEI, a few notes. The 2 transistors soldered to the physics package are dual purpose, one forms the lamp oscillator. The other is used as a heater. Lamp temp is about 120C. Notice the small chip thermistor also soldered to the lamp housing. The cap you see stood up is intentional. It is a special high quality cap for high frequency. It is stood up and soldered directly to the coil around the lamp. The Q factor of the lamp oscillators resonant circuit is higher this way.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Notinthemafia1 says:

    He is 100% correct. The other piece of foam is to help insulate the lamp to speed warmup. Nothing to do with impact protection.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars noise vector :: dj tremor :: dusp2k says:

    I actually like his voice and his video's. If you can't stand the pitch variations, use autotune or something. A lot of singers make it to the charts with it.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fermia4you says:

    No offence dude.but your voice…Im swedish

    I bet you are a super nice guy but I cant stand the voice:/ so sorry

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars asafparis says:

    Check this out, this are instructions on how to get RF output and extra coax connector replace \ for /

    goo.gl\QhYWj

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars James Burrow says:

    Thank-You; I have watched a bunch of your videos; All excellent

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Bob Marston says:

    I've been watching your blogs for a year and I dig the Aussie Accent. And the material is always excellent.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ChayD says:

    Brilliant! I've always wondered what these look like inside. maybe treat myself to one next month ๐Ÿ™‚

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brant Martin says:

    Ever get that serial working? I'd be very interested to see that. And is that extra coax connector possibly the optional RF output that you mentioned?

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars brettcgb says:

    I started looking for info about the Rb standards due to a construction article (//hackaday.com/2012/08/02/atomic-clapperboard/). Good stuff – You've answered all my big questions.
    The pellet attached to the crystal Y200 is probably a ceramic heater. These control their own temperature despite changes in applied voltage. When insulated by foam, you form a Crystal Oscillator Oven.
    Thanks!

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TheProCactus says:

    I think education is excellent in Australia. Its basically available to anyone. Especially the unemployed. Im 34 and started a course at TAFE(School for adults) – Cert III in Electronics and Communications. It has cost me absolutely nothing.
    5 months to go ๐Ÿ™‚

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