Elon Musk just announced that the Tesla Roadster is now open source! Do we get schematics? Let's have a look...
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Hi Elon Musk just posted or tweeted uh, all design and Engineering of the original Tesla Roadster is now fully open source. Whatever we have, you now have Service Tesla.com Roadster Okay, I thought we'd check it out. Do you do? We actually get everything cuz you know when you say you're releasing something as open source doesn't mean you're actually releasing your complete bill of materials, all your supplier information, all your CAD files for absolutely everything. or is it just I don't know.

Service manuals and other uh, miscellaneous stuff. Um, Anyway, let's find out. So um, does this mean I can build my own Tesla in my garage. some assembly required.

Okay, let's check it out, shall we? The here's the link. Um, the Tesla Roadster So what have we got? We got: Service Manual Circuits Theory of operation for the Roadster vehicle parts manual. that's interesting, Connectors theory of operation for the battery. Uh, then you've just got all your owners manuals that that's normal.

Uh, toolbox alert articles? whatever they are, um, disclosed research and development documents. Information provided here is being provided as a courtesy to Roster Enthusiast and was created during the design phase of the roster for research and development. It isn't manufacture or reference or repair, right? Okay, so you got battery Mon monitoring board. Uh, you've got the HFA system which is like the Aircon system, vehicle display system, and diagnostic software now.

I Did uh, open these Now The service manual took a while, it just sat there blank, but it did eventually open. So now we have the Roads to Service Manual. Has this always been available? or is this new? I Don't know, but it's uh he. Unfortunately, it's not like a PDF you can just download I'm sure somebody will put it into a PDF though, but it's available as a HTML thing.

It's not formatted very well, but like all the stuff is here. Exterior fittings, body battery system. Okay, here's the battery. Oh, battery assembly, Vehicle Battery assembly, Vehicle isolation.

uh, procedure and you can actually go to it here and then you can like call up images and yeah, so it's all a HTMI HTML thing. but it seems to be there so this is how to. So for surfacing, this looks like really absolutely terrific. If you've got an Orig original Roadster Of course they don't make it anymore, although they apparently they've like announced a new one or whatever.

But whether that happens, but look, look right, this is all. this is all pretty Schmick Yeah, look and they got photos too, so this all works very nicely. Awesome. but you know, uh.

Service manuals? Okay, fantastic, but you've been able to get you know, third party service manuals at least uh, for cars and stuff like that When I was a boy I had a service manual service my own car. Um, we've got the electrical stuff harnesses Vehicle Management airbags, instrument light panels, audio system, alarm. So let's go into I don't know Vehicle Management Vehicle Management System 1.5 or 2.0 So that's the vehicle management system and all that. But like you know, are we going to get like schematics and schematics or bust right for open source as they say.
But anyway, you don't expect that in the service. uh, manual cuz the service manual is just. you know, like swapping stuff to sort of like modular level and that all seems to be there. So you know, like interior lamps, trunk assembly? Do we get? Yeah, you know, just that's pretty boring.

There's the immobilizer switch pack. um, the horn. There we go install. But you know, if you want to work on the battery, here's how to isolate it and to do it: Safety: Ensure that the multimeter and leaves are capable of handing at least 500 volts.

Do not use a probe with an exposed tip of greater than 3 mm so you know they've G to quite a bit of effort there. So the service manual seems to be legit. So let's uh, check the others cuz like they claim like circuits and parts manuals. okay and theory of operation for the Roadster battery.

Do we get that? Safety and handling instructions? Safety during repairs. Once again, it's all HTML But what was not found on This Server Oops. Um, is that going to be consistent throughout this? Yeah, yeah it's not there. Oops.

Special tools. What special tools do we need? Oh look, they're they're production things. Sheet storage trolley once again, like the the image is gone. Okay so it's broken so they've attempted to, but somebody who implemented like putting it on the website just hasn't done the images propably.

Maybe that'll get fixed. but like I you're not going to get like all of their production information. It's not like somebody can go. Oh some you know a startup can go.

Oh we can remanufacture the Roadster We've got everything I No you're not going to get all their production tools. I Mean you know, let's let's go into Uh Oh Parts Catalog right? Here's the parts catalog. Looks like you have to put your VIN in. Can we do a catalog Product search? Tesla Vehicles Yeah! Roadster Continue Body panels there ducked in like it's wow, all the stuff's there.

Can we actually go into that that vehicle charging system? Oh home charging station. Do we get anything on that? Let's go in there. Home charging station, one assembly. oh look okay oh look look look at this.

Interactive we can zoom in. This is great. Wow, that's pretty groovy isn't it? I Like that? So that's their home charging box did Tesla Uh did the Roadster have its own I Guess it did. Um have its own charging box and these are all the part parts and part numbers see but that that doesn't help you.

Actually it says sales restriction over the counter. Can you turn up to Tesla headquarters and say I Would like the the installation label please for the electrical vehicle? uh, service, service, equipment that's pretty groovy. that seems to work yet we can just go back and it's just right. Stud, balls, fuses right 3 AG glass fuse and stuff like that.
Okay, but you know, like there's no extra information there. It doesn't tell you you know who the manufa urer is or or a manufacturer's part number or something like that. It tells you a like a Tesla part number but not if it's just like a fuse. Tesla don't make fuses par Electronics module Let's go in here: Power Electronics modules internal internal the Power Electronics module.

Okay, yeah, there's the module. Okay, that's great, but yeah, see, you're not going to get like they've even like labeled the like label and everything. but this is like I've got the Well It's not the original manufacturers one, but I've got um, a third party. uh, one of the original BMW I3 I think it is and it's like 700 pages long.

It's absolutely. uh, it's one of those Monroe ones. um that they reverse engineer the whole thing I was going to do a video on that but I never got around it. I still got the PDFs for that and they're incredibly detailed.

Third party: they actually reversed engineered the BMW I3 and it was absolutely incredible and that's uh Sandy Monroe Who's you know? famous and he's done videos with musk? um as well he's got his own YouTube channel so shout out to Sandy um great uh videos by the way. So it's all there right and like it's nice but like what's inside you just don't know, right? It's just a Mo at at the module level. Anyway, the roads to Circuit diagrams. Do we actually get the circuit diagrams? Let's go for the latest the 2010 No.

let's go for the older one. Okay, leftand drive and right hand drive as well. Roads to circuit. Do we get the schematics leftand Drive Power distribution, Abs and vacuum pumps.

Audio system Can Bus dignostic. Whoa. High voltage, 400 volts. it's going to there.

Oh, look at this that that doesn't zoom in. No, it doesn't zoom in. Okay, they're not schematics. Well, they're wiring harnesses.

Basically, You know it's like it's a modular block diagram. Really? So you know. Yeah, yellow cable goes here. But to me, that's not circuits.

right? To an electronics engineer, that's not circuits. I Want actual schematics with components to board level stuff? So no, it looks like I I I Think all the others I Reckon all the others are going to be the same. Yeah, like can bus, right? Yeah, it goes to the HVAC It goes to the touchcreen. it goes to the battery, right? Yeah, okay.

the can bus goes throughout the car. That's great, you know? And it's They're probably all colorcoded and stuff and whatnot. Fantastic. But no, it's not really circuits.

so I'm Nope, Nope. Nope. That's a thumbs down. But you know better than nothing at all.

Hey, hats off. fantastic that they're releasing all this information for owners to like service their own roster. Absolutely fantastic. and 2010's going to be exactly the same thing.
I'm sure. So Drive Control? No, no, we get. oh, hang on, can we oh something? look I can click on that not found but I can't click on the module, right? So this is the motor, the motor monitor board. That would be interesting, right? and that goes off to the motor over here, right? I Really desperately want to see the schematic for that.

But no, no. like we're not going to get the schematics. So no. but I I didn't really expect it, did you? So yeah, uh.

typical maskers that oh, we've released everything. Everything we we have, you have, no, that's not. That's not actually the case. it doesn't look to be anyway.

Theory of operation, the charging system, system view. well, there you go. Power Electronics Module once again, like this is great high level stuff. This is like absolutely brilliant, but it's not.

It's not anything lower than that, unfortunately, right? So yeah, no. this is absolutely fantastic. Higher level technical information, but it's not what we were really after. Is it so well? Us Electronics Engineers Anyway, so, but you know.

I I Seriously. I Did not expect to get the schematic for the motor Drive circuit for example. Anyway, look at this research and development. What is this battery monitoring board here? Oh it downloaded.

oh download to zip. Okay, battery monitoring board. Here we go: Fab files. Wow.

Hang on. Hang on. What? What's an IPC What's an IPC thing? Does anyone know? Is it like a CAD file? Assembly files. Ah, here we go.

Schematic: There you go. There you go. It looks like we have an Altium because uh Vincent Hy Who's um, been on the uh show before. he's been on the Ow.

He was the head PCB designer at Uh Tesla He's no longer there. but um, maybe he did this. He's got a name. Nope.

Here you go. We do actually have, but this is you Got to remember this is the original research stuff. This is not the production vehicle. We couldn't find the schematics for the production vehicle.

but here's the battery monitor board for the original R&D So how close this is to the you know it's got confidential on there so they hats off. they have actually released the schematic for the battery monitor board. That's that's pretty groovy, but we haven't found the actual um thing for yeah, Oh pick Pick 18f 18f 8585 The Pick Fanboys Go wild. There you go.

That is pretty groovy. but yeah, I'll give them I'll give them a thumbs up for that right? Even though it is the original, it's not production. but gez, that's all right assembly drawing. There you go.

Assembly: That's their. um, you know assem. like for the actual assembly of the board, soer paste and stuff like that. Nice pick and place.

They got their pick and place files. There you go. That's terrific. but yeah, it isn't manufacturer reference or repair.
and maintenance material may not accurately affect Ual production models or parts sold. So yeah, if you use this information, you're responsible. Sure, you follow the laws and safety protocols, blah blah blah blah blah okay, but yeah, um. diagnostic software and the like in the vehicle display system as well.

Vehicle Display System: PCB So assembly Drawing: conformal coat so that's pretty groovy. But you know you got to like. It's probably going to be reasonably close to the production version cuz how many roaders did they make? They didn't make them in the, you know, know, you know, tens of thousands did they, um, or hundreds of thousands? it was. You know it was their initial uh product and it was quite low volume stuff.

So yeah, I it's probably still reasonable. Schematic for the display system: VDS Memory microcontroller and LH 75401 MCU And the memory. Uh, yeah, it's part of the MCU as well. They got this split up over multiple components, which is quite common.

Yeah, there it is as well. so that's that's legit stuff down there. I Mean that's not everything. We've just got.

battery mon, monitoring board and vehicle display systems and diagnostic software. and H Controller that's obviously not. You know you can't build a car with that. But yeah, the circuits thing is the one that I'm a bit disappointed in because yeah, you just don't get what I wanted.

I Mean it's good top level information, but unfortunately, it's oh oh there we look. Oh we almost. We almost got to a schem to an actual component level there, but not quite. like.

some things are clickable in here like I can click on that, but it just goes nowhere. So yeah, but like we can't click on a block and actually get schematics for the block. So unfortunately, yeah, thumbs down to these circuits there. Maybe it'll come later, but I doubt it.

and you know. theory of operation. The Power Electronics Module: That's the one that we really wanted the uh, schematic of and stuff for. Like you know, it's got specs and stuff.

This is really quite good. did. was this info available before I don't know. Please leave it in the comments down below if you know it was.

but uh yeah, it's well. yeah. Description: That's just all. the one.

It's all the one page really. so those links just go to the one page there. Unfortunately, there's no further information. Uh, that's bit you don't expect it.

That's um, you know theory of operation. So that's all right. Pretty good. Nobody does theory of operation anymore when I was a boy, when you wrote your when you design your project, when you published it, you published a theory of operation.

Nobody Does it anymore. So yeah, kind of like classic. Muska There sort of like overpromises and a little bit under delivers there. but I I I did not expect it.
If anyone expected absolutely everything, all their production information, you could just oh boom if you had the money, you could just start up the roads to production line again. Yeah, that was never. That was never going to happen. But seriously.

I Congratulations and hats off to anyone! Um, who releases anything Open source? This is why I'll link in my video of the open source hard my version of the Open Source Hardware logo that let you release as much as you want like you know, if you just want to release a schematic. Fine. Okay, if you just want to release a a PCB uh, overlay or whatever. Fine.

if you don't want to release your actual production files, that's fine too. Just tell everyone what you're actually releasing and I fully support releasing just anything. But there's the open Source purist out there who go that's not open source because you didn't release absolutely everything and I can't make this absolutely from scratch TurnKey It's like yeah, no, the real world doesn't work like that unfortunately. which is why I did my Open Source Hardware um letter symbol thing.

So anyway, there you have it. There's a quick look. please leave it in the comments down below if I have actually missed anything. but yeah, we don't seem to get the get circuits for some old research stuff but not for you know like the battery drive and stuff like that.

just get like modular stuff. but just having the whole service manual there you know you you got to give them a thumbs up for for actually doing this. I mean what what other the company would have done this? uh, you know, no one. Anyway, that's cool, huh? I'll link in down below where you can check out this uh service manual and theory of Operation and circuits for yourself.

Um, and please leave it in the comments down below if you found any real gems so hope you enjoyed that. If you did, please give it a big thumbs up. As always, discuss down below. catch you next time.


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25 thoughts on “Eevblog 1581 – tesla roadster now open source?”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rheingold says:

    You can get this for all Teslas nowdays except safety related and high voltage stuff. They also enabled Service mode (inside the car), although more restricted in Aus than in the US or Eu.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jonn Scott says:

    @EEVblog on the topic of Titla, since you live down under there somewhere where there is lil to none Ozone, how much has been destroyed by his FnBigRockets? Fun fact B4 you fry down there that every launch destroys ALOT.

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars J.P. Hendrix says:

    Open sourcing all engineering materials of a previously closed source product is often the first step in dropping factory/vendor support. Hope this is the positive exception.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rob Cosentino says:

    Even if it's not the final production information, I think it's good advanced data for someone wanting to thoroughly understand what it takes to build an EV. I'm definitely surprised Elon decided to release this much info. He could have made people pay for it and a lot would have. Though inevitably, it would have ended up in torrents, dark sites, etc. Kudos to him.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mark Wilko says:

    So can you disconnect from the inernet monitoring and allow changes without being restricted remotely by Tesla..
    I didn't they so..

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Farzad Motazedian says:

    hey Dave. you know, to a car mechanic this is like schematics for you. With these info mechanics can trace a fault to a certain module of singel wire. They do not repair PCB boards.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SylwerDragon says:

    Hello Dave. I'm watching it and i see many similarities on things i'm working at one not mentioned car manufacturer from UK. So in general what you aww is normal stuff you will see at normal person level. What you want to see is exact diagrams of concrete components. We as manufacturers even didn't own those schematics. Owners of those are usually supplier of those components. So it is hard to get those as suppliers don't want to share it not even with car manuf. they do but it isn't easy to get to it..even if you are Engineer as I'm.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Marco Polo says:

    2450 total were made. I think there was a version 1, 2 and 2.5. Tesla is known for rapidly changing things so there is no one plan. But over the years people have taken pictures of the power boards, probably of the control boards too. The IGBTs were known. The bulk of the car was a Lotus variant and Tesla made the drivetrain bits. The battery system was marred by 100watt parasitic drain that couldn't be turned off and the pack would brick if it ran dry so it needed to constantly be connected to charge power. If left unused for 2 months it would kill the battery pack and people paid 40k for a new one. That wasn't Tesla's problem. For a long time Tesla cars had major parasitic drain, it's only in fairly recent Model 3's that they got it down to maybe 6watt which is far more manageable to overlook. Model X I think wasted 135watt initially. Just always on, you couldn't turn it off although after the roadster the pack would switch off before it bricked them. They didn't fix the parasitic load but they prevented the battery getting killed.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Dan C says:

    Thanks, after 15 years with a price of $100,000 up the ~2000 owners will not be looking at these. Are any cars still on the roads, or have all been crashed or stored in a garage with dead batteries? I have only seen one on the road in 2010 and it was a test vehicle in CA being evaluated by an engineer. Did Tesla stop all the factory repairs support since this model line is out of production for 5 years. Gruber Motors is one shop I know trying to repair these cars still.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars AndyBeezTV says:

    So X uploaded the garage service manual? Genius 🚘

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Brian Cox says:

    Wasn't the original roadster based on a Lotus? Maybe they have ongoing NDA or contractual obligations which prevent the release of certain information that is common with the Lotus?

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Rob The Squire (bob2787esq) says:

    For nearly every car and bike my family has owned we've had a haynes manual for. But for Tesla to release this for a model that came out in 2008 seems a little late and a bit sus to me, because I thought that Telsa throw a fit when anyone mods or fixes their own car and for hundreds less than Tesla says it would cost them to do.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Attila TheHUN says:

    Open Source is BS of course, but it’s a least a nice gesture to release this information.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Emilio Baldi says:

    Also the hype loop was open source

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars deadman walking says:

    Elon sucks chipped monkey balls.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars N Brown says:

    Not surprised the E.V. industry is gonna fail so time to start giving stuff away.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars dynorat12 once says:

    yea its just a Service manual

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars David Liddelow says:

    I rare instance of good guy musk. I reckon he’s throwing shade at the Chinese car companies. Like here you go please steal our battery monitoring circuits so your vehicles stop catching fire.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars kabongpope says:

    lol this is as 'open source' as his fuckin' Hyperloop. He doesn't know what he words mean.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Smith says:

    As soon as I read "open source" from Elon Musk I went like "naaaah"

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mark Brown says:

    "Schematics or die" — Louis Rossmann

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars TwistedPair says:

    The "rotisserie" special tool is pretty similar to my special tool necessary for self repair: a rotisserie chicken

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Eric Borduas says:

    What I see there is service level information and not engineering data.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Daniel Brisson says:

    How to repair the nonexistent roadster is very helpful!

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mark Watson says:

    Eleven minutes of “nope, no schematics, typical Musk, didn’t expect it anyways” then, “oh, here’s the schematics” LOL

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