A self driving autonomous Uber car killed a pedestrian in Tempe Arizona. How did this happen?
It basically shouldn't have.
TLDR; It looks as though the LIDAR and/or RADAR system failed to detect the pedestrian until fairly ideal practical circumstances.
A look at the newly released camera footage of the accident, the location, and the car LIDAR, RADAR, and camera sensor suites available to prevent such an accident.
Video footage: https://twitter.com/TempePolice/status/976585098542833664
Location of accident: https://www.google.com.au/maps/ @33.4369934,-111.9429875,3a,75y,115.16h,92.53t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1scUyILaxFs5z63AL2SupCJw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
The same location at night with another dash cam:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRW0q8i3u6E
Inside Uber’s self-driving car mess:
https://www.recode.net/2017/3/24/14737438/uber-self-driving-turmoil-otto-travis-kalanick-civil-war
What a LIDAR sensor should show and detect (Google's self driving car):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiwVMrTLUWg&feature=youtu.be&t=9m5s
Forum: https://www.eevblog.com/forum/blog/eevblog-1066-uber-autonomous-car-fatality-how/
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Hi I Wanted to talk about this recent incident with a fatality. the first fatality involving an autonomous car. In this case, it's an autonomous Uber car in Tempe Arizona in the US and unfortunately there was a fatality. Someone was crossing the road and they got hit by this autonomous uber car.

There was a driver behind the wheel, but they weren't in control of the car at the time. It was in fully autonomous mode apparently, and it's the first accident of its kind. It could have our wide reaching ramifications for, well, at least the near-term future of autonomous cars. So I thought it's important to have a look at it and talk about it.

and the Tempe Police have just released the footage from inside the car of the accident. They just released it like an hour ago. Which really raises an interesting point because before this it was just all speculation about well, did the person just dash out in front or whatever could the autonomous car? it should it have detected this and avoided it and I'll show the footage are shortly. But let's have a look at the original Y news report from this shall we? BC 15 Big questions about this early morning crash in Tempe A bicyclist seriously hurt in a crash with a self-driving Buber vehicle on Mill Avenue near Curry.

We don't know right now whether there was a human driver at the controls at the time of the crash or not. We also don't know the condition of the bicyclist. It appears the injuries are serious. Tempe PD Just letting us know that Mill Avenue has reopened.

This is just north of Tempe Town Lake Now unfortunately, as I said, the pedestrian did actually died in this incident and there's a huge investigation into this. so I'm sure that you know the full details will eventually come out. But it was very interesting that very soon after the incident, the Tempe police chief came out and says an early probe shows there were no. There was actually no fault by Uber.

From viewing the videos, it is very clear it would have been difficult to avoid this collision in any kind of mode. Otama autonomous or human driven based on how she came from the shadows right in to the roadway. More? Who's the police chief said they have not released the video, but now they have just an hour ago and we're able to take a look at this to see how bad it is Now of course, autonomous cars. They shouldn't just have visual based systems because as they said they're if they've come out of the shadows, you can't see them.

Oh, this is a very typical of pedestrian and other you know, animal accidents and things like that. When you're driving at night they jump out of the shadows and slam. You know you don't have time to see them come in or to stop. But of course autonomous cars are expected to be better than this are expected to have.

You know lidar based radar type bar systems that are supposed to You know, ping out in front of the car in or or in all directions essentially and know where objects and other things are. They shouldn't just rely on visual aids. And here's the actual world. Volvo We're talking about the Uber one here with their this is Ubers own driverless package.
It's not actually a Volvo thing is that's got a top-mounted lidar unit provides 360-degree three-dimensional scan of the environment. so that's actually a rotating laser that spins around and then they receive the data from that, they can build up a lidar map image of that, a forward-facing camera. a way to focus on both close and far field watching for braking, vehicles, crossing, pedestrians, traffic lights, and signage. So like the problem with just if you've just designed an autonomous car that used optical like, camera only based art systems, they're just not as good as the AI.

There's a lot of stuff that goes into the technicalities of this, but generally the dynamic range of the eye is better. It's much better up at peak in, you know, low light. Do you know little glints and movements and other stuff then? especially a video camera based system, But of course it needs. That's why this Uber car has all these other sensor packages as well.

Like this: 360-degree radar coverage so not only lighter, but radar as well. Where those sensors are I don't know, but they're kind of showing them on the front here. a roof-mounted GPS of course, side and rear faces and cameras working collaboration to construct a continuous view of the vehicles surroundings. So it's seven cameras, one laser, inertial measurement units, custom computer and data store at 360 degree radar coverage.

Something obviously Rhett went wrong there with the algorithm or whatever. This stuff has more than enough technical capability to see somebody pushing a bike in front of the car. Unfortunately, something went wrong. Now from the news footage, I've been able to determine the exact location where this happened.

It was just over the Tempe Town Lake here, just past this overhead a bridge right about here on North Mill Avenue just before East Currier the intersection with East Curry Road Here and if we actually go in and have a look at the street view down here, we can see as you'll see in the footage very shortly, there's a lamppost right here. This lamppost here provides the light coming across where the pedestrian comes out of the shadow here. So the impact happened like just right about here and the bike ended up some way up here just past this blue sign here with the palm trees as you'll be able to see in that news footage before. So the bike ended up here, the impact was down there.

and what's actually sad about this is this is actually a bike lane going along. Here there you go and further up here. the person could have actually crossed up at the lights up here. It is a long way, but hey, look, let's not put blame on anyone for cross in anywhere or doing whatever we're just talking about.
The technicalities of the should the self-driving car have actually detected the person crossing across like this in this case with their bike going across the road. But with the lasers and the lidar and the radar and everything else is along with the 20 cameras on the car, should it have been able to detect such a simple thing as something coming across in front? First let's take a look at uber self-driving car the one involved in the accident and the modern ones that they're using are a Volvo Xc90 I Believe they started out using a Ford Focus test cars like this, but have a look here. The cars themselves were packed with around 20 cameras, seven lasers, GPS radar and lidar technology that measures the distance reached by outgoing lasers so cars can see and interpret the action around them. so it's got all the bells and whistles.

It's got everything that should be required to detect somebody walking in front, even if they're coming out of the shadows. As the police chief said, and as we'll see in the video, this is certainly the case. A human probably would not have been able to avoid this accident I suspect based on the footage, which you'll see shortly, but it certainly had everything there that should have done the business. So and it was.

The car has been determined. It was in full autonomous mode at the time, so it looks like based on this it with all that technology, something went wrong. unfortunately and it should be noted that the one in the actual actual accident look, it's got the the scanning looks like there. that's probably the scanning laser on top, plus the cameras and everything else.

So it's got that full car with sensor package actually going across there, so it looks a bit more streamlined than you know. It's just like the package on the front, so it's obviously like a newer one than the full-on one that they actually had in these early prototypes. So they seemed to have like I improve that, but it should have the full sensor suite in there now. I'm going to point out this interesting article that I found and I will link it in down below: it is a year old from March 24 2017 but and it's from recode inside Ubers self-driving car mess.

Apparently I won't go through the whole thing, but of course Ubers future pretty much depends on self-driving cars because they're not doing very well financially. They know the future self-driving cars, and if they can get the drivers out of the loop and have a fully autonomous service, it's going to probably have a much better return fall. And so they're betting big time on autonomous cars, as they probably should know. I Blame Sons for that.

But anyway. apparently. oh, like a year ago. Granted, this was a year ago had they said here that the companies are autonomous efforts are in turmoil according to exclusive interviews they had with current and former and current employees of their self-driving unit, which they got.
They bought a truck self-driving truck company called Auto and that's where a good lot of the talent came from, but turmoil, internal tension among its executive leadership. Granted, this was a year ago, issues, a wave of key talent departures, and problematic demos. At least 20 of the company's engineers have quit since November that would have been 2016 at the time anyway. I'll link it in down below and you can read it for yourself and make up your own mind in terms of that.

But yeah, it wasn't looking good back then their autonomous car division. They did have issues, so here we go. Let's take a look at the footage. the Tempe Police Department have just released this.

It is public and I have actually taken this footage. It's done as two separate footages, one from the dash cam looking presumably the dash cam looking for it or it is that the cameras one of the cameras up on the top. I'm not sure, but anyway, it's looking forward out of the car and there's the other one looking back in at the driver as well. and what I've done is actually taken this footage.

I've inlaid the driver with the front forward-looking dash cam footage I've tried to line them up as much as possible. The police chief said that actually the first time the driver knew about it was when the impact actually happened. so that's when over synced it up. So warning, some viewers may find the footage disturbing.

So as you can clearly see here, basically the pedestrian walking their bike going across the road did actually come out of the shadows there. And granted, this is a very common way that accidents happen day at night, pedestrian animal accidents and things like that. especially here in Australia no kangaroo jumps across the road, they come out of the shadows. there's almost no way to see them and respond in time.

So even if there was a driver like behind the wheel, actually, they may not have been able to prevent this accident unfortunately. but that's not where what we're discussing here. It's like sure this autonomous car have actually detected this with all its sensors and really looking at this footage. I've got to say I mean this is a classic case, wasn't just a person, it was a person with a bike So you know it was like a it's a pretty big target to miss I would say so you've got a I guess question and once again not necessarily putting blame on Uber here or there technology.

but let's look at this. A person was walking straight across autonomous cars as I said I think we expect better from these because of all the sensor fusion technology. the later, the lasers, the lidar, the radar, and the 20 cameras on this thing. Granted I don't think the cameras could have actually picked up that but there I Can't see how the lidar or other systems should not have picked this up.

So do they have an issue with their sensor fusion technology and stuff like that? Granted, these are still essentially prototypes that they got out there driving around on these roads. So I'm like I don't think the driver could have actually seen the pedestrian coming out of the shadows here. I So yeah, I I Can't see how you can necessarily blame the driver in this case, but as you can see, he was actually distracted. probably maybe looking at a mobile phone or something like that.
but in this case, the sensors really should have picked that up. I think so that's a like a classic case of something walking in front of a car and that's a reasonably big target. So anyway, there you go. That's the footage.

Let me know what you think should this uber self-driving car have picked this up? Do they do? you know about this all this sense of fusion technology? If you've got any further technical details on exactly how the Uber system working and actually fuses all these different sensors together, does it process them separately? Does it do fuse them together and then do it based on the final output of that, please leave it in the comments and as always evey blog forum down below. But if you want my opinion on these are self-driving cars and a lot of people have asked and we've discussed it on the amp hour a few times. All the talk in the last couple of years is fully autonomous cars are only a couple of years away. Like that's what everyone was saying and even before this accident I was saying no way that they aren't even close to being able to do what humans can do.

Yes, in limited circumstances geo-fenced areas with fully mapped modes. but they I can't see how the technology at this stage can detect stuff that humans can detect. just basic stuff you know, like a big city like Sydney different work zones and Contra flows and you know, lollipop people were standing there. The stop go and like all the like let alone navigating car parks and navigating.

You know things like that. Looking for parking spots and stuff like that? you know? can the cameras see other human faces over there and see them walking towards a car? They're walking towards their car. Looks like they're going to leave. You know I can wait for a spot there and things like that.

How like there's countless different scenarios I can think of ones I Can't think of that if you've got them. put them in down below where current autonomous technology, no matter how good it is, is not going to be able to replace humans any time soon. except in specific. You know you know narrow sort of circumstances, so it's a very interesting question.

this autonomous car thing. it's going to happen. But I don't think it's going to happen on as large a scale. And as soon as people think, comments down below catch you next time.


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20 thoughts on “Eevblog #1066 – uber autonomous car accident – lidar failed?”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars ivvitan says:

    I think the pedestrian is to blame because he did not analyze the distance to the car and went out onto an unregulated section of the road in the dark!

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John Gordon says:

    This reflects on the commentators opinion in what shoul or shouldn’t, but it did happen!

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Moses Martinez says:

    I don't believe it's any of the theories they are talking about. it has been mentioned that censors are working however something is causing for the censors most likely not to send the correct signal to the computer brain like correct flow of ohms reading, I believe the answer is in the wind creates a static electricity on the body of the car due to (clear coat)is plastic so in other words creates static electricity and evolves into a magnetic field to disrupt the correct ohms reading this makes more sence to me ….

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Andreas Nyman says:

    I have a Volvo V60 with a full safety package, it would most likely have detected the person. It uses radar and cameras (infrared and regular as I've understood it) and it alerts me of people walking out in front of the car before they're actually in front of it. I've never tried the autobrake feature on it, but the alarm works fine and I've always been able to react and stop. Even in bad lighting.
    I've tried the autobrake on a Volvo lorry when a distracted driver was swirling towards the middle of the road. And there is a video of a truck in Norway that brakes for a child that runs from a bus. The company says it's the driver that brakes, but most lorry drivers I know is sure it's the lorry because if he doesn't have a 6th sense the reaction time is unhuman! But this was during daytime.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lnpilot says:

    Driving a car safely, requires about 7 levels of cognition, from simple image processing, all the way up to understanding the behavior and body language of people.
    Autonomous cars have cracked level 1 and 2, and companies, like Uber and Google are claiming that these systems are better than human drivers. Raise you hand, if you did not see accidents like this coming!

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Shen Long says:

    I wonder 2 Things. First: Why is it allowed to even use a Smartphone in the US behind the Wheel? and 2. Why are the High-Beams not turned on… i mean it looks like Pitch-Dark and even if we consider normal Eyeballs on the Persons Head it should see. Why is there even a Person behind the Wheel if it's not to control the Reaction from the Car and the Action around the Car. "I don't get paid to think." or what?

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ståle says:

    Just want to reiterate that the camera footage we got from uber is in no way representable of what a human eye would see in similar conditions. Human eyes have far greater dynamic range than what's shown in that video. I can't say for certain that the pedestrian would have been visible to a human driver, but I can say that the video we were shown in no way proves that the pedestrian was hard to detect. Furthermore, it's all irrelevant because Lidar sends out its own laser light and doesn't rely in daylight or headlights in order to work. Either Lidar was turned off, or the system ignored Lidar data. Neither of those two options are good for Uber.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars William Gottlieb says:

    The driver was not monitoring the road ahead because that person was looking down and to the right, where a cellphone was being held out of view of the camera which monitors said driver. The driver knew it was forbidden to be using the phone while the vehicle is in operation, which is exactly why that was done and why that last chance of avoiding the accident was not there.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MrAlex3461 says:

    If every car has lidar in the future, will we need to walk around with protective glasses on near roads?

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stuart Wilson says:

    I am quite sure the cyclist who got run over and killed is not really interested in the technicalities of camera dynamic range and reaction algorithms. The driver was present in the vehicle, and seemed to be not paying any attention to the road, in my book that is manslaughter.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars NetworKing says:

    I sort of wonder why they don't use FLIR camera for things like this. Any animal, person, etc crossing the road whould have some sort of a heat signature that it could use too. Then have an algorithm, etc that says if it is a car (based on shape, expected temperature, etc) do X, if it is an animal (based on temperature, if it is walking, not moving, odd shape, etc. do Y).

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Star Gazer says:

    You've obviously never used any typical b&w low light security video cameras. They can see far better in the dark than your eyes can. Far better than the color footage shows.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Peter Sage says:

    I'm a nighttime cyclocommuter and have never been a huge fan of autonomous cars, so this incident naturally terrified me. After watching the footage, however, I have to wonder if the cyclist was careless in choosing where to cross the road or if the city or state is at least partially culpable for poor illumination on that road. (Reading other comments from Tempe residents, I doubt street illumination was an issue.)

    By the way, for any other cyclists who ride at night, please LIGHT UP YOUR BIKES. A handlebar headlight might have attracted the driver's attention in time to avoid the accident. If you can, also put lights on your forks and frame, even your helmet and wheels – the more garish, the better. Maybe you wouldn't want to be caught dead with such lighting on your bike, but it can help keep you from being caught dead.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Cameron Stewart says:

    As a technician I've worked directly with vehicle-mounted radar systems used to track ground speed and object detection (not the specific type in this self-driving application). From my knowledge, I'm very surprised that any front-facing radar wouldn't have detected and reacted in time to evade such a large object. While I agree a human couldn't have avoided this accident, a front-mounted radar with a proper antenna and enough signal processing power SHOULD have.

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stig B. Sivertsen says:

    I think it's quite obvious that the car should have spotted the pedestrian. It takes several seconds to get almost on the other side of the road. In Norway the driver would have been in deep shit since the law states that you should not drive faster than that you should be able to stop for any hindrance. The driver would also use strong headlights when it's so dark. If the police saw me off or on the bike in the dark without lights on it I would get a 200 dollar fine. But we need laws like that since it's dark almost 24/7 in wintertime.

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars John D II says:

    I looked at crash diagrams and took a ride on the road using google and it is a crazy section of road. 2 lanes posted 45 MPH (Uber was traveling 38 to 40 MPH depending who you ask.) goes under bridge then opens to 6 lanes with no signs to tell me what's coming up. 2 left turn, 2 straight though, 1 bike, and 1 right turn. The bike lane and the right turn lane cross each other. The left turn only signs are half way into the turn after a bush which means headlights won't shine on it. I see no signs telling me what intersection is coming. There is some kind of walkway with a park in the medium strip with a sign at the edge of the road facing toward the street No pedestrians use cross walk with an arrow pointing toward the intersection. There is no way to the intersection from there. Actually there is no way to this walkway. This walkway is a waste of money.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jar says:

    Dave, it can only be attributable to human error. [2001: A Space Oddyssey]. This accident appears to be because of bad software. It's the kind of thing you might expect to happen if a Windows app was controlling a car. I completely agree with you regarding the media hype from non-engineers regarding the thought that cars will all be self drive in the very near future. It's a square peg trying to fit in a round hole until our concept of the road transport system is completely overhauled.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars flamshiz says:

    i was hoping this would have some technical insight instead of just regurgitating reports of the accident

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Miura says:

    I would expect to see sensor embedded Autonomous only highway's and toll roads. Basically you'd pull your brand new all electric autonomous bmw up to an entrance press the autopilot button, seat goes back, steering wheel goes up, ambient lights come on and your off. Anything more than that is a stretch for me, I believe Uber is putting lives at risk obviously they should be stopped. Great vid Dave!

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Sam Petrocelli says:

    Dave, I spent years doing research on object segmentation and classification with lidar. Specifically I used the velodyne hdl-64, which captures about 1.3 million 3d points per second with like 2cm accuracy. That's with a distance of like 100m. Pretty sure Uber is using the same sensor. I am also really surprised that the car had what appears to be no reaction. There is plenty of data (with the lidar alone) and computing power to detect and react to what is a rather large obstacle. There was a TED talk by Chris Urmson about two years ago where they show their Google driverless vehicle detecting and tracking a person on a bicycle and avoiding a collision. It's really impressive. Again, I am really surprised that the Uber vehicle had basically no reaction with all that data and computing power.

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