Hi guess what if I lived in Victoria which I don't but if I did Victoria Australia that is which is another state here I live in New South Wales far superior state by the way. Anyway, if I lived in Victoria it would be ill now illegal as of yesterday for me to call myself a professional engineer I know that I'm an hour professional youtuber but anyway, it'll be illegal for me to call myself a professional engineer and hide all my Victorian viewers. Congratulations! You'd better remove that title from your resume or from any or your LinkedIn or anywhere else unless you're registered I guess so. thanks for someone on Twitter for pointing this out.

The Professional Engineers A registration bill 29 in the Parliament of Victoria looks like a just passed yesterday. so congratulations I'm there was I had heard nothing about this. There was a discussion period or something like that which has ended and it is now passed and everything in here now applies to any well, not any engineer. Let's go down and take a look.

applies to structural Engineering, Civil Engineering, Mechanical Engineering Electrical Engineering Fire Safety Engineering, and any other prescribed area of engineering. What is I'm not quite sure what that means. Does that mean like computer engineers, software engineers, or what Like are they just is this an all-encompassing term for anything? Yeah, so just a little bit of background here. I've actually done a video 1175 for those playing along at home how to become a professional engineer I'll link it in at the end and down below if you haven't seen it.

Highly recommend. Goes through all the different types of specifically to electronics are engineering. The different levels of engineering, the different qualifications and things like that of Electronics Engineers Now I'm not talking about other aspects of engineering here. I might mention it in a minute, but Electronics / Electrical Engineers working on you know circuit design.

Whether or not you're Kois off, an electronics engineer or an electrical engineer doesn't really matter technically. I'm an electrical engineer by qualification, but you know whatever. I'm always been an electronics engineer, but that's just you know, academic. a lot of electronics engineering courses accord electrical engineer.

It's just the generic term for at which this new bill encompasses. So as I explained in this video, we actually have a long, rich history here in Australia For Electrical As / Electronics Engineers in the business, many of them are unqualified. Countless engineers. You do not need engineering qualifications to become a professional Electronics / Electrical Design Engineer here in Australia I Know that's very different.

In other countries, it is very regimented. They have very similar laws and bills like that has just passed in Victoria here, but we've been operating up until now that anyone in Australia can call themselves an engineer. I Realize where this bill comes from because we've had a recent hue like it's made national news in Australia in the last year or two about how we've had all sorts of building faults both commercial and in particular residential buildings like apartments, units. Things like that they're not building them up to scratch and they're falling down, they're crumbling.

and some say a national crisis here in Australia about these shoddy buildings that have gone up. So I know where this has come from and I fully support this kind of stuff for things that have to do with our safety like buildings, bridges, all that sort of jazz. Now, unfortunately, or fortunately, depends on what your opinion is, leave your opinion down below. This now encompasses Electrical Engineering and almost by definition my job, Electronics Design Engineering, and most of my Er audience.

That's what we do. We do Electrical / Electronics engineering design and this is kind of being caught up in that as has like basic mechanical engineering now. So I yeah, this has been caught up in this structural and civil engineering thing that's Orell everyone in Australia is going crazy about and unfortunately it's passed in Victoria and it sounds like it may be the catalyst for it to happen Australia-wide So I'm not personally affected yet, but everyone, all my viewers in Victoria certainly will be as of yesterday, but let's just have a look at what the offences are. Shall we part? 5 Offence to provide professional engineering services without a registration One a person must not provide professional engineering services in a particular area of engineering.

I Assume that means the list above including electrical and but almost by definition, electronics. really in an area or providing the Professional Engineering service under the direct supervision of a person who is registered as a practicing professional engineer, right? Penn Or 500 penalty units I Don't know, there's a monetary value assigned to penalty units I Don't know how much that is. Now it's an offence to hold out to be registered or endorsed without registration. A person who is not registered as a practicing professional engineer in a particular area of engineering must not represent that the person is able to provide professional engineering services in that area of engineering So you are not able to say hey, I can provide you professional engineering services and some I I can kind of agree with that I guess But we'll get to that.

A person who is not an endorsed building engineer must not represent that the person is an endorsed building engineer and there in you can see right there where the catalyst for this bill has come from. It's you know, and it's from the building sector and hence the electronics industry that I and we care about being caught up in it. A person who is not registered as a non practicing professional engineer must not represent that the person is registered as a non practice in professional Engineer, Huh? And here's the doozy. A person who is not a registered professional engineer must not use the title professional Engineer.

Yeah, let that sink in. So what they're trying to do here is actually protect the word professional Engineer. Now they are not through this bill. They are not a to protect just the word engineer.

It's only professional engineer. So let's actually call up the Macquarie dictionary shall we which is the standard die edition of the legal dictionary here in Australia What does professional mean professional following and occupation as a means of livelihood or for gain? A professional actor relating or appropriate to a profession making a business of something not properly to be regarded as a business undertaken or engaged in as a means of livelihood for again, someone who makes a business of an occupation and expert in a game or sport. So it's not illegal in Australia even with the passing of this bill to call yourself an engineer. But when you add professional to the front of it, even professional is employing, That's what you do for your vocation.

Hence in my previous video talking about how to become an engineer if you're doing engineering work and that's your vocation and that's what your peers recognize you as that's what your company has called you if you, even if you have no qualifications at all. very common in this country for you to be given the title of Engineer senior Engineer. Whatever it is with engineer in the title because you've been given that by your peers by the company. By you know, everyone like you're recognized in the industry is having the skills to perform that job as your vocation.

And that's the word professional. That's what it means. But you know lad, now in Victoria you're not allowed to put the word professional in front of it. Unbelievable.

So we're basically gotten to the point where it's similar to the Oregon engineer. our mats gel Strummer Armit was fine. Five hundred pounds I'd that I've done a video on this haven't I I think I have Anyway, um, he lives in Oregon and he did this great research about traffic lights and everything and he is actually a qualified engineer in his native Sweden but he's not a certified practicing you know, registered engineer in the state of Oregon and he simply sent something into countless Arisa to counsel about traffic lights and they slapped him with this fine. So he took him to court a federal court I think or whatever anyone based on like freedom of speech and he's allowed to call himself an engineer.

So yeah whoo! so you can see what you know what's next. It's simply calling yourself an engineer that you do for your vocation. I Bet you that's next. it's coming and I know you're saying hey, Dave what's the problem right? If you're qualified engineer, just get registered or whatever.

Yeah, well, that's forcing people to join an organization they may not support. For example, the Institute of Engineers Australia I was actually a student member way way back. but I I just don't want to be part of the Institute of Engineers. Just like the vast majority of Electronics design engineers here in Australia, we are not members of the Institute of Engineers Australia.

It's just not a thing here. It's basically for your mechanical engineers, civil engineers, or those management engineers you'd like to have all those little fancy letters are for their name. Vastly more engineers here in Australia are electronics engineers a member of the Institute of Electronics Engineers the I Triple E I'm a card-carrying member of the I Triple E but I'm not a member of the Institute of Engineers and I don't want to be. but if you're in Victoria it looks like I don't know how you become registered I Guess it's either through the Institute of Engineers or this mob.

I've never heard of the Association of Professional Engineers Australia and they've got a blog post on this and Bill Let's have a look. Doctors, lawyers and tradies must register to get a license to practice their profession, but there is no such requirement for engineers. There still isn't A registration scheme provides the government public of the peace of mind that only qualified engineers are making engineering decisions. Like how far down the engineering tree do you go? Do you take that to software engineers? Like do you take that to network engine? Like how far down the rabbit hole do you go here? And here it is like the Victorian Go.

We'll continue to invest heavily in infrastructure and this is where it all comes from. It comes from the building and civil engineering sectors which I support being certified and things like that. But the electronics industry for someone is just laying out a PCB or like. Come on.

not only will a scheme assist the government and public and making informed decisions, but registration will develop your professional identity as an engineer. highlighting your skills and expertise. Whew! At present, anyone in Victoria can call themselves an engineer. A registration scheme serves to protect your professional identity.

Think of the engineers. they're doing it for the engineers. Only qualified, competent, knowledgeable engineers will be registered. Filtering out those who lack the appropriate skills and expertise.

When you register, you will be admitted by the state as a professional engineer. Opening the door for more jobs. It's all about you. You can get a better job that pays more.

You can earn up to twenty five thousand dollars more than there unregister than your rogue, unregistered colleagues beauty as well as status. Your professional identity is formed by your ongoing commitment to your area of expertise. Should registration pass the upper house, you'll be required to commit to your ongoing development through a minimum log of CPD Continuing Professional Development hours. It sounds like an extra requirement.

However, all you really need to do is document any training or developing you have done to move up the ladder in your workplace. It's my nose brown. Enough Does that qualify? You may be surprised to how many hours are slick in CPD You do during one single year. You can build your hours through on-the-job learning seminars, webinars, and online courses you have completed.

Watch the Evie look and you can put that on your competency. Well, they call it CPD Continued Professional Development hours. Just watch the EEV blog. Oh, can you apply for registration? Take the test it? Well, according to this website, it is only applicable to four-year bachelor of engineering degrees under.

so it's a Washington Accord one and I've done. You'll have to watch my previous video for the Washington core. basically a four-year qualify so it looks like it doesn't apply to three-year or two-year qualifications. Wow.

So yeah, you'll have to watch my other video. I Go into the Washington Accord and all the all the different Accords different levels for different cause. So what does that do to the engineering technical? three-year engineering technologists, or the two-year network engineers? Or you know other sorts of software. And you know, three-year software degrees And you know other types of ones that aren't covered under the Washington core? What happens to those not allowed to call themselves a professional engineer? Even they're an engineer by vocation.

They can't even register, even if they want to. You know that's the real problem with these sorts of bills. They they try to be all-encompassing and somebody's gonna come A guts are somewhere guaranteed. So yeah.

Anyway, naturally, the Engineers Engineers Australia they welcomed this compulsory registration of Engineers and yet compulsory. thank you very much. And they're urging the other states and territories to follow Victoria's lead. So come at a New South Wales soon and everyone in Australia YPO to call themselves a professional engineer unless you got the four-year degree under the Washington Accord and you pay your dues too even.

I Guess either one of these mobs or some other maybe should I could be good money in this now. Mitch Maybe should start my own engineering Institute Well, you know we're no chicken dinner. Yep, and here's that latest post: today they're gluten. It's being passed.

Yeah, where do I start? Here's everything you need. Yep, at Tea you need a four year full-time bachelor's degree or master's from an accredited institution. All he's not lost if you don't have this as part-time equivalent degree or a historical equivalent qualification. So to get registered, you'll need a hundred and fifty hours professional development in the last three years.

You've got to prove. Just prove that you watched X number of evey vlog videos I Just say you did and Bob's your uncle. Ah, you're welcome. Work experience.

You need five years experience in the field so it looks like graduates now and in the first five years you cannot. According to this and yet this mob, at least you cannot call yourself a professor, channel engineer. At least they won't certify you. Maybe you can go to the Institute of Engineers and they'll give you grand.

Maybe you can, you know, get accreditation as a graduate or something. but it's all about you. The whole system exists to ensure you have a senior registered engineers to work with the building experience needed to be registered yourself. But don't stress, you can't call yourself an engineer if you've had to hit the five years.

you just need more time to build up your professional development hours and all you need is three other professional referees they know that have worked with you for the last 12 months that have to be registered themselves. Otherwise, bugger off and a commitment to the code of Ethics which talks about professional contact integrity, diligence, and decent decency rules me out. Well I Searched for code of ethics on their website well commonly Gtze I Found it after searching on Google. here it is I Love this one.

Provide engineering services beneficial to the economy so well it looks like solar roadways Be able to hire any Victorian engineers I Do like the stuff about whistleblowing though. That's neat, not behave in a manner that would damage the reputation of themselves and others. Hello. But that goes against the whistle blowing stuff up here.

They basically tell you blow the whistle but then then don't damage damage the reputation of others. More done. Don't misuse company, public and private property. Yes mum.

no more tear downs. So anyway I'll leave the link to this down below. You can have a read for yourself I'm gonna have to read the whole thing, but it's gonna be boring as bat. poo.

Really, you search for electronics right? Ellie The electronics I can spell I'm an engineer, not anymore Electrical only appears once. Like they don't even really go into the definition of any of that. If you have to ask, you're covered. So I'm sure if I went to somebody and said am I as an electronics engineer covered in Victoria covered even.

but if you are in Victoria are you covered by this bill? I'm sure everyone will say oh yeah yeah you are I think it would require a court ruling to rule otherwise. So anyway I know this is like par for the course in many countries. They leave it in the comments down below. if this is a thing in your country and you can't even I Know many countries can't even call yourself an engine like the word engineer without this, but it's still not illegal in Australia Even with this to call yourself an engineer but professional engineer yeah like I can understand like chartered engineer.

For example, the Institute of Engineers have this chartered engineering level and you have to go through a lot of rigmarole to get yourself registered as a chartered engineer. And sure if they want to protect chartered engineer I have no problem with that. In fact, I fully support it. That's fine and dandy.

I'm not going to go around calling myself a chartered engineer, but simply a professional engineer. The word professional means that's what I do for my profession for my vocation to earn a living. And it's legal for companies to hire anyone as an engineer even if you're not registered or even if you're not qualified and yet you can't call it technically yeah. I Do you can get fine for calling yourself a professional engineer? Unbelievable.

I'd Like yeah I said. this bill is a good thing for many industries, but it's gonna have unfortunately a side impact on the electronics in the industry which I don't necessarily agree with. But anyway, let us know what you think in the comments down below and let us know what's happening in your country anyway. catch you next time you.