Yes, the drive time rant is back.
Dave gives some choice advice to the semiconductor manufacturers.

Hi welcome to the Eev blog an Electronics Engineering video blog of interest to anyone involved in electronics design. I'm your host Dave Jones Hi it's time for another drive time rant. Yes, it's back. I Haven't done this Uh segment in quite some time because I've been pretty much uh, leaving my rants for the Ow radio show which I do with Chris Gaml.

So if you haven't checked that out, the Ow.com small plug there uh but I thought I'd I' jump back in and do another drive time rant and this time around I thought I'd give some advice cuz I'm full of advice. Oh yeah, I thought I'd give some advice to the semiconductor manufacturers namely the ones that have the Uh active products like the, you know, microcontrollers, microprocessors, fpga, that sort of stuff because I think some of them are in need of advice. So here we go: Dave's top five tips for uh, having a successful getting a successful product out there for Market What these um, semiconductor manufacturers need to do to get their product and penetrate the market both the high-end and the low-end markets. But we'll get into that anyway.

Top five tips: Here we go: Number one: We're off. Tip: Number One One Stock These are in order, roughly in order of importance, but you can say they're all equally important. Okay, number one is stock if people cannot. If Engineers hobbyists, whoever cannot buy your parts and both in low medium and high volume, then they're not going to touch them.

Okay, you need visible stock on Digi key mous Fel sorry Element 14. Whatever the Bank name is this week. Uh, they've rebranded themselves. Ridiculous.

waste of time. Anyway, that's just an aside. Um, you need visible stock on these sites now I'm not just talking 50 or 100 Parts because if you're looking to design in a a part for a new Uh project or something like that and you're the first place you are going to go generally. I've mentioned this before is uh, you know the likes of the component Distributors not the traditional Distributors I'm talking about the online catalog Distributors dig key Mousa You know Element 14f farell Those sort of places are where people go and you know it's not good enough quite frankly to have um, you know 50 or 100 Parts there that.

that doesn't instill a lot of confidence that doesn't want me to design in that part into my next Uh project because if it's successful, then well, where am I going to get the parts from, right? It's I'm not going to trust that particular manufacturer or that particular Um series of devices or whatever. Okay, so you need stock, Not just, you know, a couple of hundred. I'm talking 5,000 10,000 They're the sort of figures If I see those on Parts in Mouser or dig Key or whoever, then I'm going to feel very confident about designing in that particular part. Now that might be an an illusionary thing, but it works okay.

having the the illusion of having Parts potentially down the track is a huge draw and you've got to have that. That's tip number one. Tip number two is you got to have usable packages. None of this BGA none of this, You know, bloody, uh micro? You know these Qfp packages and oh sorry, um uh, chip scale packages and all that sort of crap.
No I want something that I can damn well solder into prototypes, low medium volume manufacturer, something that I'm going to get a good yield with in manufacturer. So we're talking dip and we're talking so and we're talking uh, reasonable reasonable pitch? uh Qfp not5 mm. go to, you know, go up a bit I need reasonable packages if I can't get those Pgaas and um and Chip scale packages and all the all the rest of them. they're all fine for Consumer items very high volume stuff once you got your manufacturing process down pat, but it doesn't uh you, you're just not going to attract the uh, the low to medium um, scale people with those sort of packages.

Dip Ando please. Oh God Tip number three. Um, where you need uh, cheap or free development tools? Okay, now they don't have to be free I know, uh, Microchip? Have been on this um thing before they say oh, they won't give away their their development tools. You know they won't.

They want to make a a small amount of money on it. Well that's fine. Okay, but they need cheap, readily available, uh, development tools. And if you don't have those, then well, you're not going to penetrate the market.

So forget it now. Um, the uh. fourth one is, um, Open Source. Okay, you need open source? Um, not only development tools, preferably not like Gccc compilers and stuff like that, you need to support those that are manufacturing, um from the manufacturer level.

Okay, it's not good enough just to leave it up to someone else to do a one guy in a garage to ride a GCC port for that par. You know, for your brand of micro or something like that. And then you know, thinking that can cut it, it doesn't. You got to have proper manufacturer backing of, you know, open-source uh tools and that's just not.

um, that's just not the compilers. I'm talking about the uh, you know, the drivers, Things like, you know, Tcpip stacks and and uh, serial Port drivers and all sorts of and all the other stuff. Um, even you know realtime Os's and things like that. Very important.

Okay, tip number five: Um support standard platforms like you know, get involved and support and encourage at the man once again, at the manufacturing level. Um, support Ed platforms like Arduino or um, you know, beagle Board Of good examples: the Ti MSP platform I Guess the new little um, uh, $430 job or something like that. they're trying to create a little standard there. just you know, try and create these standards and back them.

Or if there's a standard already out there, use it and jump on board. I Mean um, you don't see the likes of At Mill and those sort of companies um, getting involved with the other Weo. Why? Why? it's a huge Market Why aren't they? You know? Sure, the bottom line: profit at the end of the year that goes on the balance sheet. you know it's It's probably not going to make a difference, but um, you need that Ecos system of of developers and enthusiasts using your parts and then that trickles up the market to, uh, you know, in in the future they'll start using your parts.
So really, manufacturers get behind and support these industrial. uh, these, um, industry sort of not industry standard, but you know, sort of deao standard uh platforms. It's going to be a winner. So there you go.

My top five tips to the uh. semiconductor manufacturers: Um, you know how to get your Uh products. Um, good market share, winning market share, and it's It's not rocket science. It's easy, but a lot of Manufacturers out there would just fail.

Uh, many of these basic points, they'll be just an epic fire and they wonder why they're spending oodles amount of money on marketing and they're not penetrating the market. It's because you don't have what we damn well want. God Get with the program. Manufacturers see you.


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24 thoughts on “Eevblog #123 – top 5 tips for semiconductor manufacturers”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Leslie Soon says:

    Will there be a tutorial on semiconductors? Those P type N type or doped semiconductors?

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Adam A says:

    haha ya hate that

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars samsonofdan says:

    Anyone else always notice the Bull and Bush restaurant he always drives by?

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EEVblog says:

    @hoppes9 Yup, you got that right.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Borkzilla says:

    The reason companies spend gobs on marketing and fail to reach the intended customer is because 50% of the marketeers are clueless about what they're selling. They could just as well be shilling hot dogs as silicon.

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Borkzilla says:

    @Dibblah1900 A corollary to that: Don't require people to sign an NDA before they can even look at your data sheets as per Marvell.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MakerComputing says:

    I agree with pretty much everything you said with this video. I have spent many hours on previous projects looking for parts on Digikey that meet the criteria that you stated. I will not touch BGA packages since I can't solder them at the moment (0.5 mm pitch QFPs and the like I can deal with), and MCUs/FPGAs that require non-free dev tools and are a pain the in the butt to figure out how to program.

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EEVblog says:

    @jonhdoe1395 Many people don't want the "little extra effort" or extra time involved. They don't want any reduction in small to medium production yield. They want to be able to inspect and probe pins easily. They want to be able to rework and mod easily. They want choice. Getting the picture? I'm not talking about QFP and SOIC, they are great.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Johnny Doe says:

    @EEVblog i'm not referring specifically to you but there's a general fear for ridiculously easy to solder packages like qfps,tssops,soics etc. I dont really get it. My grandma can solder them. With a little extra effort you can easily solder QFNs and with a hotair you can solder BGAs without much hassle, no solder paste and stenciling needed. I'm not a pro or anything, I'm a newb but I just don't get it.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EEVblog says:

    @jonhdoe1395 I'm not afraid of them, I use use them. I just want OPTIONS. Larger packages have advantages.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Johnny Doe says:

    I lol at people who are afraid of bgas,qfps,qfn etc. I love those packages, my circuits are always tiny and fit anywhere I want. DIP? are we in the 70s?

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars alecjw11 says:

    +1 to #2 and #3. As a hobbyist, i hate BGAs and TQFPs. And being a free software advocate, "open source" development tools are a must.

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars gbowne1 says:

    @EEVblog Yeah.. when you talk about processors products like the old Motorola MC68000 and the pre AMD cyrix x86 chips were huge!! not to mention the size of the Pentium Pro.

    I love using socketed FPGA stuff cause of the swapout I can easily do if somefhing on there fails

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Hola! Moreno A. Hassem says:

    This rant was so totally directed to ADI, Altera and Xilinx. I agree with most part. The typical excuse for using BGA does no cut it. We have consumer processors (Core 2 Duo, for instance) using socketed technology and it works. Why not offer this kind of stuff so we can benefit from highly integrated logic of high pin count parts, while still beeing able to put the parts on our boards?

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Julian Keledjian says:

    Also, It would be nice if distributors and manufacturers would follow up on their free sample requests, even if its a denial.

    Off topic: SaraLee and caravans, WOO!

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EEVblog says:

    @jeriellsworth Yes, many times I've had to use an insanely high pin count BGA FPGA just to get the logic density I need, even though I only needed a dozen I/O pins. Something's not right with the world I tell'ya!
    It's not that hard to get the distributors to stock all your parts, I think the problem is the manufacturers simply don't try hard enough.

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jeri Ellsworth says:

    1. I'm not sure manufactures have much control how many parts a stocked by a distributor.

    2. Packages – I'd love to have 400k gate FPGA in a 8 pin dip, but there are many issues with putting parts in this packages(lead inductance, power rails, cavity size, thermal, signaling standards, etc) Remember the days of the 64 pin candy bar sized dips? 🙂

    3. I've worked at companies that do not target the hobbyists because of the lack of support resources in the company. Very sad.

    4-5 agreed.

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars marios2liquid says:

    Well said! ..And give free samples to students!!

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars EEVblog says:

    @Dibblah1900 Already done a rant on that one, but yeah, on the list for sure, the bastards!

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars lucasmontec says:

    51 area

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joe Reed says:

    @Dibblah1900 amen to that

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Nater Tater says:

    you tell them dave!

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Allan Stirling says:

    Tip #6 – Don't require registration for your damn datasheets!

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars tronixstuff says:

    Welcome back Dave!
    @orbiter8 – Farnell can call themselves anything as long as they keep free delivery for web orders with no minimum.

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