The $30BN+ National Broadband Network (NBN) was supposed to catapult Australia into being a world leader in internet communications. How's it looking so far for businesses that drive the Australian economy?
Dave looks at the roll-out map to see if the NBN is in any business parks in Sydney yet.
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Hi I Just wanted to do a blab video taking a look at the progress of the Australian NBN or national broadband network. It's supposed to make Australia a world leader in terms of Internet connectivity, communications infrastructure. the whole works. and it was that.

the big selling point at our last Federal election back in 2013. they won. so I wanted to spend 40 billion. On the other side, wanted to spend 30 billion and our Australia's not a huge country, but we were going to spend a massive amount of money on all these fiber-optic infrastructure or the current government wanted to do copper or fraud band as it's commonly called anywhere.

Anyway, I've done a video on that anyway. I don't want to turn this into a political video I Thought I'd actually have a look at is the NBN available here in Sydney where I live and I work here in the North Business Park Here in Sydney a major Business Park here and I wanted to see is the NBN available here. Where is it available in Sydney From the business perspective because of course, businesses are the engine that drives the country's economy. small business.

The government's keep saying it over and over and over again. So look at this. They quote some impressive figures here. Progress so far: 1.2 million premises ready for service.

Little exclamation mark next to that. look in: New South Wales where I Am Three hundred and Twenty-two thousand, Three hundred, twenty-five thousand premises. That sounds pretty impressive. Okay, they're making progress.

fantastic, But hey, we can check the roll out map for Sydney and here it is: Sydney. It basically extends like 50 kilometres from the Sydney CBD here, right out to the Blue Mountains. It's like a big semicircle like this and we've got the mapping of what's available. Now take a look here.

We've got purple is the service available and as far as I'm concerned only fixed-line matters Wireless is crap. If you want a solid internet connection, you need fire bar. You need direct connection, low pin connection. especially for a YouTube content producer like myself who doesn't just want to download everything I want to upload as well? You know all that content that's being produced on the that people put on the Internet.

Somebody's got to put it there. You're welcome. So as far as I'm concerned for a solid NBN internet connection, you've got to have fibre. You've got to have fiber to the door or in my case fibre to the building here and then with copper for the next 50 meters running to my business suite here which is fine so we can.

The Purple's are service available, the brown is building commenced and green is built in preparation and well that's not blue. I Don't think there's any blue here. so anyway we can have a look at all these coverage areas. so they got like individual buildings that have been done and like entire areas or color cutters.

all we care about is the purple one. Service available. There's building commenced which is brown and There's built in preparation. Whatever that means could be years down the track.
So let's go in and take a look at my business park shall we? So I'm in the North Business Park which is one of the biggest business parks in Sydney It's got over 400 companies. it's actually I'm sure it's a lot more than that actually our employee more than 25,000 people. So a huge business park. Let's take a look to see if it's available and here it is.

Here's the Norwest business parking here at basically as Stan is all of this all the way in here and as you can see, there's a couple of purple zones there which means that they're connected. but let's go in and have a look. Why? Thanks for playing No-nothing This purple area here is actually a new residential housing apartment complex and that's been the NBN Focus is that all new developments must have the NBN connected which is great, of course you know. I Totally agree with that, but look all of Norway's Business Park all of it all in here and right down here at the other section down.

Lexi's then drive down here. Absolutely nothing. Not a sausage, another new complex in there going up, and a new housing. the state just going up over here has gone up, but nothing in the Nor West Business Park and nothing in the potentially even bigger Castle Hill trading zone.

This is all industrial commercial businesses as well. Absolutely nothing. Not a sausage, thank you very much. NBN Yeah, well.

Dave you just got sour grapes because well, you were unlucky enough to live and work in the Norwest Business Park on the Castle Hill trading Zone. Here, you know, tough luck. What about the other business parks in Sydney? Surely they're connected. Okay, let's go have a look.

Well, let's go to the business parks calm day you directory which lists all the different business parks? let's have a look at: Macquarie Business Park This one has been one of the leading technology centres in Sydney It's almost like I Guess if there's any mini Silicon Valley in Sydney, it's probably going to be around the Macquarie Business Park Here, let have they got the NBN connected. Surely Why no, there's just part of the university here. Something down there. that's it.

Might even be some residential housing, but nothing. Look the entire Macquarie Business Park Are you me? Well, how about these ones here? Not too far from Macquarie There look at all these different little business parks in here. A bunch of them around like Lane Cove area. Why nothing? Thanks for playing? Well, what about Chatswood I Used to work at Chatswood couple of decades back.

It's a huge business centre. Well, they got nothing but a couple of buildings connected here. Well, what about say North Sydney I Mean it doesn't. It doesn't show up as business parks.

but North Sydney Huge business hub here, right? What have I got? Why nothing? So if you're going there, you can see that the odd building is connected here and there. But look at it. Well, surely the centre of Sydney the central business district must be flooded with NBN connections. Surely? Why? Nope.
Thanks for playing. Yeah, it's got a couple of buildings here in here using you. Is that new development over there? Is that? Bangaru I Don't know. but yeah, a couple of odd buildings.

but how many businesses are in the Sydney CBD How many of them have access to the NBN? Well, the what a few percent. Ah, but come on. Dave What about the Australian Technology Park It's supposed to be our showcase for you know they're like if there is going to be a Silicon Valley you know in here in Australia it's probably going to be at Australian Technology Park. Well yeah, I suspect not.

they do. I Like the actual Australian Technology Park building itself has awesome fiber connectivity. Don't get me wrong and so does NICTA are beside it which is like a research organization. but if you're a smaller business who wants to move into the Australian Technology Park Nothing fail.

What about all of these business parks all around here is just south of Sydney near, you know, around near Sydney Park and Beaconsfield Yeah, they've got the odd building here and there, but basically all of it not if you want to move into any one of the thousand businesses there, forget it. But surely Parramatta right? It's practically the second central business district of Sydney and all of the government departments are moving there because they you know Parramatta is going to be the next big thing. Well, not without NBN It's not. There's the odd building connected.

but yeah, not looking good. But hey, I could be accused of being a bit selective. So let's take a look at one of the better areas little Black Town, right? It's got a business, lots of businesses all around third, Avenue and places like that around here. First, second, third, Avenue All on the north side of Black Town.

Here this is all like, you know, industrial type business stuff. Well look at this that looks like a huge coverage south of Black Town. But look where the brown stuff is. Building commenced.

Okay, you've commenced it great couple of years down the track. how long will it take you to finish? But this is all the business part. They've connected all the residential stuff all around here. Fantastic for the residents of Black Town.

Good on you. You can get the you know 100 megabit internet connection for less than 100 bucks a month. I've got to pay 400 bucks a month for over 400 bucks and for 10/10 internet connection. So maybe I should move to Black Town, but this is what I wanted to point out.

They're focused on residential instead of businesses. Businesses are the engine of the economy. Why can't businesses have access to the NBN Maybe five ten years time? If we beg for it and out a bit more, look north and south east of the airport here. Here's the main Sydney International, Airport and tons of business parks around here in industrial estates and well, you go compare it here.
Yeah, there's the odd building, the odd building connected, and probably you know, like a new development. Or you know, maybe if somebody was lucky to get it connected. but basically bugger all. what are your odds of moving in a business around the airport there and trying to get the NBN? Good luck.

But seriously, I could go on and on and on and compare like business centers to where they've rolled out the NBN and they're just not rolling it out to the business centers. Oh Double facepalm. But hey, what am I complaining about? Take a look at the MDF room, the communications room in the basement of my building here. Look at all these fibers coming in and I'm lucky enough to have both major fiber providers in the country right into the basement on my building Telstra and UE Comm which is our Optus.

Well let's have a look what Telstra can offer me one of the best star providers in the country. You don't have to worry about the service, it'll be top-notch They can give me a 50 gigabyte per month our data plan: 10 megabit, 10 megabit Ethernet symmetrical connection Fantastic. They only want one thousand, seven hundred and fifty-five dollars a month and that's and if you go over the 50 gig it can be up to. They cap it at a very generous seven thousand, Nine hundred and twenty dollars a month.

Eight cents per megabyte extra. Thank you very much. Telstra And it's only Eleven hundred dollars. Connection Charge: Absolute bargain for a minimum total plan cost for the 10 megabit per second plan a 42 One hundred and twenty dollars.

What a bargain. Sign me up. Well surely Optus is better. Well, I got a quote from them.

It's $1200 a month for the same ten megabits per second symmetrical Ethernet connection. And we also have a wireless dish on the roof for our company called Big Air and there I've got lots of internet connections in business parks around Sydney including not Norwest Business Park They've got to be exchanged here. They only want 800 bucks a month for 10 May 10 Meg Internet connection bargain. And if you're really, really lucky and you're working a building that's are connected with TPG Zone fiber.

you can actually get a reasonable plan. You can get a hundred megabits per second that fiber plan for 300 bucks a month. That's not too shabby for Australian prices, but I checked and they only have the fiber installed in buildings in the central business district. That's it.

No other business parks in Sydney So yeah. So after spending a couple of years struggling with an Adsl2 plus connection here in the lab which is an absolute joke for a Youtube content producer like me with a lousy 1 megabit per second upload speed, I Actually found a company who would install a fiber specifically for me to the building because I can't piggyback on the Telstra all the Optus fibers that are here because well, they've just monopolized the plant and charged like wounded freaking bulls. And so they this company installed a specific fiber to the building for me. But they've got a plan starting for 275 bucks a month for the same 10 Meg 10 Meg plan.
I'm actually on the 20 Me 20 million. so it cost me over $400 a month. So but still, that's like a bargain compared to Optus and Telstra and B gear. So there you have it.

There's a look at Sydney at least for business internet connection. It is hopeless. None of the major business parks in Sydney that I am aware of have rolled out. They have the NBN rolled out for them.

it. It's just not a priority for the government. It's ridiculous. They've got it ass-backwards They're a bunch of bloody goers and companies like me.

The small little companies have to resort to get in our own fiber installed, paying some company to install a fiber, and then get in a plan which is relatively cheap in the schemes of Sydney but it's an absolute joke to the rest of the developed world. I Get viewers who say oh yeah, I get a hundred Meg Bit hundred Meg Beat fibre to my home for $20 a month. Little country's a little tiny country's you would never think of. They brag to me that they're getting one gig one gig fiber connection to their home for you know, tens of dollars per month governments A joke with a laughingstock.

Anyway, I hope you found that interesting, if not depressing at the current state of business. Internet here in Sydney at least and pretty much in Australia It's just a backwater, so yeah, go on. Everyone from overseas boast about how wonderful your internet connection is. Or if you're in Sydney and you're lucky enough to have the NBN yeah, rub it in - catch you next time.


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27 thoughts on “Eevblab #17 – the australian nbn sucks! for businesses”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pulse Telecom says:

    In 2024 the nbn network is still useless.

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Luke Webster says:

    youre worried about ping in relation to uploading video files? what about games or voip?

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Philip Smi-Le Nguyen says:

    Still suckz 5yrs later. Lol

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Paul Hilton says:

    This video aged like it was in stasis. NBN still sucks donkey's rotting balls.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Yanick Gendron says:

    Bizarre implementation, here in canada, they past the fiber block by block and all the black can connect to the fiber, not one building here3 and one building there. Like in my city, they took 6 month to cable with fiber half the city (100,000 population) the fiber became avalaible for everyone at the same time for this half of the city, then they did the rest in 4 months and the fiber is now avalaibable everywhere. So bizarre doing this one building here and one building there…..

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars K Broowny says:

    NBN, national bullshit network, typical coalition fuck up.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mark Handrahan says:

    Dave, here in Jan 2019, has it progressed in the past 3+ years?

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars sismofytter says:

    LOL Greenland that has a population of 55000 have super fast fiber 🙂 Maybe Australia also need to be part of the danish kingdom 😉 At home i have 100/100 fiber (61 Australian dollars) and mobile network 150/150-40GB data limit (30 Australian dollars)

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars 3D Momentous says:

    Good video 🙂

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars SurvivalSquirrel says:

    I wonder where the money actually has gone…

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars scot shabalam says:

    Can you just march into peoples' homes and businesses and connect internet or do they have to ask for it?

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Joan Evans says:

    Not even due in my area until late 2019! Just checked. (Sept 29 2017). So only another 2 years to wait ……..

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stanko Bulanov says:

    In Bulgaria we have 200Mbps down/120Mbps up for 14 euro/month, 1Gbps costs around 50euro

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Treknology says:

    Sucks for businesses? I had a reasonable ADSL connection, aiming for 12Mb and generally got better than 6, averaging around 9.

    I was PUSHED to NBN. Having done the forward-planning (even before fibre was suggested), a multi-fibre connection was possible without disrupting the building. When told my change-over was compulsory, I commenced organization of the interior so that there would be minimum disruption to operations. I then found out that I'm getting "fixed wireless"–the poor tech had to crawl around in extremely limited space and install yet another unwanted dish on my roof.

    During the change-over I had access to my old ADSL and the NBN connection simultaneously. ADSL speedtest: vaguely acceptable; NBN speedtest: LESS than 25%. This means that your humble video is unwatchable at my end, even when selecting the lowest quality display..

    After seeing your MDF room, I'm just as disgusted that other carriers who can support better bandwidth are no longer allowed to use equipment that has been paid for and is properly maintained. As you rightly point out, 1 fibre can carry multi-Tb information. Therefore, I have argued since the earliest proposal that we should have been aiming for a multi-Tb fibre capacity, even if the electronics can't yet keep up.–there are many passive, non-electronic technologies for splitting optical data streams. Because of "planning ahead", I have a roll of about 200m of 4-core fibre cable so that even under current laxest restrictions of "fibre to the curb", I could afford the additional cost of bringing it into the building. If my cable were declared "incompatible" with NBN's version, the conduit through which it could be run allows more than adequate space to run a 12V power supply to support conversion hardware, which would have neatly fit into the original Telecom in-ground cavity–and if they flatly refused to use my pre-supplied fibre, that conduit is currently occupied by a 32-line trunk cable–no excuse for failing to provide better bandwidth. At worst, install the "NBN box" in the cavity and service it with power lines and a couple of Cat6 cables.

    After seeing the appalling level of vandalism to "node boxes" throughout the UK, particularly the theft of backup batteries during blackouts, the maintenance costs far exceed any savings on initial installation.

    I face significant problems. I'm classified as rural/remote. My business model requires that I do most of my customer-interaction during peak times when my bandwidth is further crippled because my IAP (Beeblebrox Enterprises) only gets a fixed allocation from NBN which has to be split amongst all the other peak users. Sure, I can triple what I pay to move to a higher tier, but that means that I'm depriving the people who can't afford it of further bandwidth, with NO guarantee that I'll see any improvement because, even if Beeblebrox Enterprises can keep that bandwidth window open, there's no assurance that NBN's lowest bidder submitted hardware can fill that window with the data that I'm requesting..

    Even when Telstra was privatized and sold-off*, it still had to meet the requirements of USO (Universal Service Obligation). It seems that NBN is immune to USO. Therefore, Youtube and other streaming services are automatically downgraded from pseudo-entertainment to strictly research material–even then I must use a download utility and watch the material off-line. A video of the length of this current one takes approximately 1 hour to download and then isn't error free. Yes, I know it's a breach of Youtube's TOS but do I really have a choice when I want quality information that isn't made up of 5-second bursts of data separated by 30-second dead time of watching a circle that goes nowhere? Note to Youtube staffers: while "downloading" is a technical breach, I'm not archiving–I'm using an extended disc-based BUFFER!
    * Do you mind if I sell you a pair of shoes that you already own as a taxpayer?

    If, at some point in the future, I want to start posting video content, it's painfully obvious that I will have to compile everything off-line and then hope that it uploads on the first over-night attempt. While my video work is generally way beyond 1920 or even True-2k, I think I'm obliged to other Australian viewers (who would make up the majority of my target audience) to ensure that the uploaded version is capped in "quality" just so that people can watch it interruption free.

    Good on you for carefully avoiding playing the political blame game: Regardless of which ideological party has power and the actual ideology of the of the Opposition, it seems that the mentality of "we must oppose at every opportunity" prevails over sensible political debate.

    I'm wondering if I'll get better results by re-activating my dial-up account?

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stephen Davidson says:

    I messed the NBN by like 50 meters

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Stephen Davidson says:

    I live in Baulkham Hills – I work from home as a freelance 3D artist. I need fast upload speeds to upload files that average tens of GB to my clients who are overseas. NBN is an absolute joke to Australian Small business!!!!

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Harrison Cheyne says:

    The internet in Perth is so bad

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Tau says:

    Why can't businesses have priority accesses to the NBN?
    Because businesses are not what makes up the majority of votes.
    All these companies care about is money and control, The government the power right now is providing them.

    Thats why.

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Doctor F says:

    Can I avoid this? From what I've seen I don't want this shit

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Michael James says:

    How long is this going to take to roll out?! I've recently had a first time look at the NBN map for Melbourne and I was shocked by how little was done.

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Zer0ne says:

    WaaaaaAAAAA! Thanks for playing.

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ryan Xie says:

    Focusing on residential? My house doesnt have nbn but if you walk a block you'll get nbn, imma cry about my 9/0.4 adsl 200gb internet

  23. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Pete Allum says:

    Dave, I can't imagine paying that much for such poor speeds and limited capacity!
    In the UK we can get a dedicated 10Gbps symmetrical business leased line for less than £240/month – Plenty big enough for most businesses.
    Business broadband starts at £13 for unlimited 3.5Mbps/1Mbps.
    This is from BT, who are NOT necessarily the cheapest business suppliers but their network is by far the most reliable with fast repair contracts included in the price.

  24. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mark Singleton says:

    $42bn+ will be a drop in the ocean it wont get us FTTN big time under estimation

  25. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Blume YouTube says:

    You must remember. The NBN rollout is based on how hard it is to connect a specific area and how much they need NBN. Business will obviously not be very prioritised as they usually dont have internet issues

  26. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars p3tr0114 says:

    The guy fails to mention that there's a 99% service guarantee. The business lines are dedicated lines; meaning there's no one else using them. Also, the RSP offers insurance in case anything does go wrong.
    Also, there's nothing stopping him from setting up a residential type internet connection at his business.

  27. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars D MATH says:

    The internet is only for entertainment. -Some really old whiteguy

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