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A teardown and quick look at the new lower cost mid-range 70-350MHz Phoenix chipset based Rigol MSO5000 mixed signal oscilloscope, to be release on the 13th Nov. Stating at US$909.
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Hi I got a world exclusive for you. Check this one out. Well, it's not actually this one. This is the rogue or MSO 7000 series scope which I've done a extensive teardown of and a like first impressions unboxing review on the second channel as well.

I'll link that in if you haven't seen it and this was released in June I think it was and it uses Rygel's new ASIC technology. They're one of the big players now with their new Phoenix chipset and their own front-end chipset which they rolled and this is you know it's quite impressive scope. Unfortunately, it comes at an equally impressive price and for what I'm hearing, it's not exactly a big seller because it's trying to compete at the real sort of middling to high end of the market. and it's you know, bang per buck doesn't seem to match it.

and I was saying in the video. Well, this is their first scope which uses the new Our Phoenix chipset. You know they're probably getting back the years worth of NRE on these newer ASIC chip sets. have been working on them for a long time.

As impressive as it was, it just wasn't that polished yet and I said well look I'd love to see this in a lower priced scope and I thought hey, this would be like a year at least two years away. perhaps something like that. but No Thank you very much to John Soffit Omona Here in Sydney I've got the only one in the country. Check it out! I Was shocked this is being released in a couple of days time, but we're going to take a teardown look at this.

This is a new Reigle MSO 5000 series. the MSO five, three, five for digital scope to be precise and it uses a new Phoenix Technology chipset. I Can't believe it's been like five months and they've released a new lower-cost scope. How low-cost we're talking about? Well, technically, it's under a thousand! Yankee bucks 999 US Dollars base price for a two-channel version and we'll get into this 70 megahertz bandwidth.

I Don't know why they bother with the 70 megahertz bandwidth instead of 100, but it comes in seven, a hundred, two hundred and the one we've got here is the 350 megahertz. Eight gig samples per second for channel scope with MSO capability. Very nice. It starts from $9.99 but it goes up reasonably price once you option up everything in this because everything is optional extra.

We've got our four channels two channels are optional extra and we've got our two channel arbitrary function generator and it's got touchy-feely screen and but still, it's under a thousand bucks. So they're leveraged in that new Phoenix Technology chipset and also the front end chipset. They'd be using the same one, but in this case the bandwidth is limited to 350 megahertz as opposed to 500 in the other one and you'll have to excuse any issues with the quality of this video. I am shooting it in the new lab and I don't have any of the new lighting installed or anything like that.

So yeah, we're just gonna have to get what we get. A little bit shorter than the 7000 series. it's a little seven thousand, it's a little bit taller, and it's a little bit thinner, not as boxy on the back, and as you can see, it's black instead of white. Now whether or not you like black I don't know.
it seems to be a trend of these days or whatever. Anyway, the new one is doesn't have the times ten probe interface and auto probe interface and powered probe interface at the 7000 series one has and you probably wouldn't expect it. Certainly wouldn't expect it for a sub thousand-dollar scope. although it kind of would have been nice to at least have x 10 that probe detection even if you know you couldn't power external Y you know, fit, proactive fit probes and stuff like that.

Unfortunately, when your option is fully up, you get to a different price bracket and then you start to think, well, I'm paying all this money and I didn't can't even detect my probes. Not great starting at 909 Yankee bucks for the 70 megahertz version with no software options and that's only the two-channel or 999 with the 4 channel. So I don't know why you would bother even buying the a 2 channel version of this. It's just crazy because this is the interesting thing about this new 5000.

as far as I'm aware, it's the only scope on the market that actually comes with four channels physical four channels. It's a software upgrade to the four channels. and if you buy the two channel version and want to upgrade to the four channels later, it's three hundred and ninety nine dollars. Whereas it's only ninety bucks if you buy it upfront.

Nuts. Why do they even bother? Unbelievable. But if you want the 350 megahertz version we're talking about here with no software options at all four channels, Four thousand US dollars. So yeah, it's pretty pricey.

For the two hundred megahertz version, it's twenty seven hundred US dollars. For the hundred megahertz version, it's fourteen hundred, just over. So when you include some basic serial options and stuff like that and a 350 megahertz bandwidth with the four channels, this can be a five thousand US dollar scope. Now, both of them have the two channel arbitrary waveform generator I Believe they're the same specs.

Don't quote me on that. couple of more extra right. USB Ports over here, only the single one here and the logic analyzer interface is different. They've got the like a forty odd way point one inch traditional pin header here, which is great for you know, do-it-yourself custom probes and things like that.

but this one uses the little PCI interface. So yeah, they're totally using different probes for this thing. Unfortunately I wasn't supplied the logic analyzer probes with this and I don't know wise and it's a similar sort of interface here except on the 7000 you get the two extra waveform controls here, which you don't get on the 5000 series. And of course, one of my complaints about the 7000 series was just the interface and how it looked like it was designed by some, you know, hobbyist or something.
It was absolutely terrible it used I think somebody counted five different fonts on there and this one isn't much better. Now the layouts okay. I don't really have an issue with it as such, but I just don't like the fonts and the colors and the styling. I Know it subjective, but it just looks really.

Mickey Mouse amateur compared to some of the more professional brand scopes on the market. I Think they need to get their act together here. Hire a professional industrial designer who knows what they're doing. See this: G1 and G2 here I Swear it's got to be a different font to the others, but I'm not sure.

Anyway, like the styling down here, but you can't even read there is a G1 and G2 down that. like if you get in the right light like that, you can see it. but you know if it's just down like that and and you're looking at it, you can barely see that on camera I Can't see that with my eyes. It's sort of all obscured and just small things.

like no consistency in there, sort of like font usage, right? Digital oscilloscope all uppercase the 7000 lowercase. Well, so the back of this thing got our carry handle which you require. It's not great, doesn't have like a big cutout to get it up. Anyway, it looks a little bit different to the 5000 series scope.

It's not all metal work like coming right out to the back like we saw in the 7000 series, so it looks significantly different. There's no dust, grills, or anything that we saw on the 7000, but it does come standard with HDMI output fantastic USB device and LXi Lan interface for our web configuration and stuff like that. And it does have an external trigger out. Unfortunately, there's no external trigger in like we got on the 7000 and the 5000 has your more traditional feet on the front as opposed to the feet on the back on the 7000, so that's alright.

So overall I Know it's personal taste, but I am NOT a fan of the black. Check out the red identifiers on the knobs there. I'm not a fan of that. they couldn't even let.

They've got the cut correct color coating around here which matches. and we've got all separate vertical controls. Absolutely fantastic to fit that on a relatively compact scope like this one, so that's that's very welcomed compared to like, eh, more traditional compacts. Cope with your shared channels.

And yes, all the knobs are push a ball. And for those curious there it is compared to the 10:54 Z. So to give you an idea, it is. you know, slightly bigger.

But considering that they you know it's got a bigger touchscreen and they've put four channel controls on there. you know? I Think it's about as compact as you can make it I suspect. But you know, if you're after the most compact scope for your bench, then you know? obviously. But it's It's not that big though.
Enough yappin. let's get in there. Looks like we've got six screws on the top there. Serious.

All right. here we go. Tada. we've got.

it's much less metalwork in it than the previous one. Is this a bit different? Look time? We'll our heat sinks poking out of the can there for the front end. so that's interestingly haven't fully shielded that front end. Hmm.

fascinating. Anyway, the fan is right on top. Look at that. It's right on top of the big-ass heatsink for the ADC and the Phoenix chipset.

Then we've got another heatsink poking out here. So yeah, it's some Definitely isn't as well shielded as the other insurance you know. Adequate passes. All the requisite standards go down.

Nice mains, earth connection going over to there. that's very nice. What a real clunk and power switch. Yeah, thank you very much.

You know that soft button. rubbish. Okay, so I Rather like this, it all comes a get rid of all the cables like this and this should just lift off. You shouldn't have to take out the power supply.

whatever. Squeeze it that later. Today we're in like Flynn Check it out and what is that that is a egg? Is that that's the codename? Because we had the the Flamingo was the previous code name for the MSO 7000. So this one's the Eagle I Guess Rygel innovation or nothing.

Nothing with a lower case in. Okay, just have a look at our main board here. First thing I noticed is look at the ground in around here the signal generator section. Look somebody was having fun.

Oh they didn't go all the way with LBJ this went over to there. Anyway, as you can see, it's not Jemelle in here. It's going to be very similar to the 7000. Well this is interesting.

It's actually a near identical layout to the 7000. not quite few differences. Anyway, we've got our main applications processor here, but our secondary Spartan 6f PG up there. This layout here for this looks absolute for the processor here applications process.

it looks identical. So even all the stuff around here the the battery is a different vet hosel instead of vertical. But apart from that, these chip placements are all the same. That connector up there is the same.

The power supplies are different around this area here. like there's a much less or actually no look. They don't have the big-ass inductor so they've got smaller ones so they don't need as much grunt. is that like? because it's not as fast as the other one, it's not chewing as much power.

This is a key examples per second versus 10 gig samples per second. There's still got two big-ass inductor ones here, but as you can see, power supplies are a little bit smaller. They just don't have the same. They've got the SMD a lot small SMD inductors instead of the large SMD inductors.

Anyway, apart from that, it is very similar. We've got our six. We've got an additional relay here on the 5000 for the signal generator part. so that's been really consider a shut-in changed and they've added an extra relay down there.
Of course the digital connector has changed down here, but yeah, it digital looks a little bit different. although they've got some stuff around here which is the same. They I believe that was our voltage regulation for the front ends was it. And of course the front end cans are different.

We've got the heatsink on the chip which we didn't have previously and this is interesting. Does that mean that they goofed on the 7000 so maybe they have I realized? Oh yeah, we better put a heatsink on this. This is 350 megahertz as opposed to 500. Weird.

And presumably it's the they would be using their same front end ASIC because they want to. You know, capitalize on that cost because that AC could cost them by. Overall, now that they've done all the spent all the NRI money than non-recurring engineering to actually design and mask out that thing and everything else, we've got a five memory. I think we had some additional memory on the bottom? This one is a hundred Meg samples memory as opposed to 500 Meg's samples.

It's labeled up here. Look at that. Spartan Six Lovely. Where's our debug serial header that we saw before? Let's go check our clock generation down here.

I'm looking. look at that. Well, that's pretty funky isn't it? Sorry if there's any art noise on this. As I said, don't have a huge amount of light here, but that's our PLL gen.

so there's our memory. Nothing much doing there but oh interesting looking termination. They got their sweet yeah looks like they were supposed to have some sort of ESD protection there for the probe compensation pins, but they went in there. bug of that gold finger? What is gold finger? I'm suspecting that might be how you are in a face where we can start hacking this thing.

maybe? Hmm. We've got our same hardware version resistor configuration as last time and a lot of people were speculated that this is probably for like, physical hardware build differences for the optical Inspection camera to see. Are that a resistors missing and it knows what version of the board it's God but I'm not sure if that's true because there does seem to be some signal connections to them and there's really only one board for this thing because everything including the for Channel scope option is a heart is a software upgrade. So yeah, I'm not sure what's doing there.

it may be it like it is identifying the actual physical hardware version number, which is down here version 1.01 Perhaps Now Unfortunately, we can't just take the board off because all the BNC connectors and everything else are connected to here and you can't just take the washers off the front because there are no washers. so you have to undo all of the metalwork screws around here, take off all the knob and cross your fingers. They get them all off. Hopefully there we go tomorrow.
and I know a lot of people are keen to see what rotary encoders used in this thing. I Don't know. offhand, we'll have to look at the videotape for that one because Roy Go! Have had issues with the reliability of their rotary encoder pots before, so are they the same ones as the 1054? Zed I Don't know. Nothing hugely interesting under here.

A couple of them are backlit here for the various channel colors and whatnot, and as soon as you get those nuts off, nothing like getting your nuts off. Let's come on now. Should have got some of the ribbons off and annoyingly to get those ribbons off, looks like you got to unscrew the screen and then access through here because they're connected on the backside of the board rather than through a slot and then on the top side. Oh bugger, now.

hopefully it's all it's all off. Ah, we're in there. We go bar bottom side. no, didn't have all the additional memory.

it's just got two additional memory chips there and that's it. Nothing much doing on the bottom, but there's some extra analog front end circuitry though. Well, looky what we have here. No wonder that they can like sell a two-channel scope with four channels in there for 909 bucks, Because look, there's nothing at all in the front end.

Pretty much they've got a Rygel's new ASIC front end of course, which has you know the program will gain, amp and and the differential, driver and everything else that's required. But it's just basically that ASIC A couple of passives. we've got ourselves a is that a MOSFET there? Yep, with a mosfet relay and that's it. So if you compare that to the 7000 series, that's actually significant.

Well, it's actually the identical layout around here. This all looks identical. The top-end the components on the backside of the ASIC there look identical. There's resisters down there that looks identical.

This is all changed because we've got an extra relay here on the 7000 and over here and this photo must relay is switched around like that. But apart from that, Oh, and it had, didn't it have a 50 ohm termination on the 7000 as well? Of course we don't expect a 50 ohm termination on a you know, sub thousand dollar scope like this, so that's fine. But yeah, they've really pruned that down. So I'm thinking, have they like, does it not do? It's maybe some of the lower voltage.

Maybe they've got like a digital amplification down at. you know, like a millivolt to millivolts per division. Something like that. There's nothing in these front ends I Wonder how much that AC cost them? Bugger all the photo Probably.

You know, maybe the photo must relay in there is more expensive than the ASIC Who knows. But yeah, it's it's just nuts. And if you think there's something more on the back side, nope, that's it. Just some extra passives and the heat sink in pad.
That's all she wrote. But yeah. Amazing. Let's see, this is a 350.

Meg front-end There's nothing in it. Unbelievable. And I Originally thought that the 7000 didn't have the heatsink, but it did. It was just didn't have the cutout on top here so it was fully enclosed in the can.

The cans were actually yeah, thicker so both from had the heatsink. but this one actually takes advantage of the airflow over the top here. It doesn't have to go under the sides of the shielding can, there is a gap. They don't necessarily sit all the way down.

So yeah, this one's thermally. It's better. Maybe They realized the previous enclosed one wasn't there great and they fixed it in this one. And one thing I Don't think I noticed on the 7000 or any previous Roy Go Scope are these alignment pins like this that go into the PCB So they use that for the alignment of the board rather than just rely on me.

You know how you do an alignment of the screws on there, so that's rather interesting. They've got a few around on this design soon on. Maglev Fan For those playing along at home, Well, I think that's a first. the shield on this power supply is actually soldered onto the board.

What a pastor? Yep, caps on or craps on as they call them. Yeah, sorta like bottom of the barrel electrolytic caps. Unbelievable. I Like as I said, if you're paying the full five thousand dollars for this thing, you know you're getting craps on caps in your power supply.

I Come on. But granted, this is not a five thousand dollar civil scope. this is a $900 retail oscilloscope that everything else is software optioned up. One of the good things is we can actually stand up the power supply and back panel like that and hack around, work on it while it's fully open.

Nice. One of the most annoying things about this is the boot time. Ah I'll get back to you. They try and do set a record bar graph.

Got to the end but we're we're in a minute 15. Kill me. Now by the way, these are the probes that you I get with it the 500 Meg jobbies apparently. So there you go.

Well that's the ones that came in my box anyway. so we'll just do some probe in there heard that center pin of that little three-way a job' there and boot up a bingo. We have data all right. We can hook that up to our serial port, see what's what, and if you're wondering what's going, if you can hear something in the background, wave sayin and there we go.

we're in like Flynn that's the boot code which I post over on the AEV blog forum as I always do linked in down below and it looks like we're down to a root menu. Root a try, goal and that's before we got you boot and my goalie dirty. Fantastic. Alright, if you're curious to know what sort of temperatures we're getting, well the ATC there we're getting about 74 75 the the chips on the front end 76 that are not 79.
sort of peaked at 79 there. just the regulator's next to it. So the ADC actually gets hotter than the Phoenix process of the applications process. that doesn't really get fifty five, you know, doesn't really get that warmer.

or a couple of our little random hot spots for the regulator's and stuff like that. But yeah, of course this is with absolutely no airflow whatsoever. so of course you know you don't want that so this is not realistic. just wanted to show you the hot spots.

Check it out for typing help. built-in commands dot alias Brad changed to come on continue Echo Evo Exit Export files look check it out. We have all sorts of commands that we can potentially tap into. No: I couldn't die when it said press any key at the start I couldn't get it to abort that boot process jobs Nope.

Test Nope. Ah, Permission denied. So if you're wondering yes, the third pin over there that orange one that is the transmitted in. so yep, transmit receive ground for the UART So easy and it's hard to get fan noise on audio, but probably on par with the wry goal 1054 Zed Although this one's a little bit whiny I sort of like bearing whinier than the other, the 1054 is like a like a more of a drone, but it's noticeable in a quiet lab, it would be pretty annoying.

You'd want to change it out for a quieter one definitely. Now of course one of the remarkable things about this: a hundred Meg points memory. Very impressive. an 8 gig samples per second which you get the a key examples per second on the 70 megahertz model base unit.

so it's absolute overkill. Of course you only need like five times over sampling but if we have a look here. so actually so we're eight gig sample with a hundred Meg points of memory. but we've only got the one channel enable, so let's switch on the second channel here and bingo instantly drop down to a quarter of our memory 25 Meg points and 2 gig samples per second.

But the good thing is is that will keep our 2gig samples per second even if we have all four channels enabled. So the 2 gig and 25 Meg points there for all the channels. and as with other scopes, it does actually matter which to chat. So if you had two channels, you want to use channel 1 and channel 3 for example because that will gain you 4 gig samples instead of the 2 gig samples if you go with 1 & 2.

So that's just the way that the the sampling architecture works. Now one of the most annoying things about this I Couldn't believe it was missing on the Reigle 7000. And it's missing here - whether or not it's in their new Phoenix chipset. I Have no idea.

but if we're going to a choir here and then we have a look at your different modes. acquisition, Normal average peak Where's your high-res mode? Every scope on the market even you a couple hundred bucks ones has a high-res mode, a boxcar averaging mode to get your increased bits. you know, like a effective ten bits or whatever with it's just not there and it's not there in the 7000 series, which is a $12,000 scope when your option it up or whatever it's in that ballpark. this scope is a $5,000 scope if you got all the options and they don't even have high-res mode, it's ridiculous I Don't know what the hell's going on there, whether or not it was built into the Phoenix chipset and then they realize they couldn't do it.
crazy. And if you just plug in a USB stick. and by default, if you press quick like this, it'll save a PNG Nice. And as for the screen on it, it's okay, but it's not the brightest thing out there.

it's actually on the Mint. and the greyed out menus down here are very subdued and even when you turn them on, it's not that bright and we're looking at down at a bit of an angle. If you put it straight on, it starts to the grid graticule, air starts to vanish, and at any sort of lower angle, it is really quite hopeless. So it's definitely not the best screen I've seen at all.

And of course it is all touchy-feely so we can call that up and then we can just scale through our and of course you can do pinch and zoom and stuff like that. There you go and we can drag the waveform. It's a little bit slow, but it's usable. And yes, the screen is very Glary so it's not terrific and the volts per division in case you're wondering.

And let's go to 1 millivolt per division here and there it is and as you can see, it is pixel doubled. If we go to 2 millivolts per division, you can see that it's still pixel doubled. So we have to go to 5 millivolts per division before we actually get our true the front end signal level there. So you don't want to get this scope for any low level measurement.

Tell you what? I Don't mind the measurement menu here. and like V how it displays the stuff horizontal, vertical like volts RMS per period RMS And you know stuff like that and nice little diagrammatic explanations right next to there. It's very nice. unfortunately.

One silly little quirk is that you can't actually see the thing that you want before it actually adds its we wonder what's per V RMS For example, you click on it and it's automatically added it down the bottom. So like, yeah, ok, it's good enough. It's nice once, you know, but when you're trying to learn these things, then it just automatically adds it and look, it doesn't actually add it as a physically separate thing. It's sort of like expands that window.

That's interesting I'm not sure if I like that or not. delays in other that's nice and analyzed. sweet. And it is supposed to have a hardware frequency counter as well, some higher resolution thing haven't tried it yet and then their interface isn't quite consistent like if we go to turn on the signal Jen for example I I can barely tell that's on cuz it hasn't done.
the box around there in yellow like it did the box around here in yellow so you hardly even notice it. Anyway, here's all our stuff. It's pretty comprehensive. It goes even further than that.

it does ABB's as well, so you know it's not too shabby. Maximum amplitude. Let's go all the way with LBJ No, there we go. Five volts maximum amplitudes.

Can use the keep A because this is all touchy-feely So let's go to say, nine volts there like that, over upper, over upper. Ah, obviously and you'll notice that it's actually in stop mode so we're not updating. but the hardware frequency counter will still update your that Nice. And yes, we can do modulation on the generator as well.

So different types of Am/fm FSK That's alright. So what does our intensity grading look like? Well, we've got our standard our 1 megahertz sine wave test signal with one Kilohertz hundred-percent modulation. It triggers on it very, very nicely. So let's see if we can a liason that of course we've got 20 Meg points which is a lot of memory.

So I don't think we're gonna have an issue there. Oh yeah, there we go. We're starting to do it now. Starting to do it.

No, no, it doesn't like that at all. Oh, hang on. What have they done? It's locked up. Ah, what.

The scope has locked up? Well, there you go. People wanted to know about that quality of the firmware at this particular stage, of course. I Swear I can't do anything it I can't run. Stop single.

It is completely locked up by just changing the time base down. It might have maybe tried to go into like auto roll mode or something. Ah, what? Seriously, I can't do a thing I can't turn my generator enough I Can't it? Well, that's the first time I've seen a scope completely lock up I Think not. You can't even get back with the default button.

All right? So I rebooted and I just thought for a second that it was this time-based Look at this: it can go to a hundred killer seconds. That's insane, but it's but it's not that it should actually recover from that. No, no worries whatsoever. So it's interesting that the modulation has vanished the generator.

when it rebooted. the generator is still on by default, but the modulation is not to our modulation again. one kilohertz I Am or that looks hurry, doesn't it? What's going on there? That's not my hundred-percent I Am Oh Have we got the frequency wrong? Hang on. Yeah, yeah, our frequency is one Kilohertz so we need to change that one.

Meg There we go. Okay, we're in like Flynn again. Can we recreate the magic? Nah, So yeah. I'm not sure what caused that cause that lockup.

Anyway, intensity graded display. That was annoying I Went to use that as the intensity control like we had a function selected so unfortunately now it's there we go. that's better. That's nice, right? I'll always have good intensity graded displays.
that one looks pretty schmick I Like that. you can see it like the broader color in there and the more faded color. It's very analog oscilloscope. Like it's not smooth.

It sort of like jumps around. I mean if we go vertical like that, it actually every time we move it, it actually stops sampling completely. So yeah, it's not the most responsive and smoothest thing on the market. but it's okay.

it's it's usable. I'm just not going to write home to my mum about it. All right? I Don't want this to turn into a full review, so let me know how you want to see this thing. Do you want me to compare it to the Siglent Mm X for example, which is probably its main print competitor at the price plant we could see it against like the road Schwartz mm but it's more expensive as like a base unit, but up in the high end.

this thing is actually really expensive and doesn't seem to compete as well being once you start upping the bandwidth and up in the options logic analyzer here. there we go. We've got all 16 channels there. Let's check out where we can get our I that's a threshold.

Yep, yep, it has group-based threshold. There you go or you could have that user so that's nice. Small/medium Wow small is really small. Hmm.

Anyway, let's go to our serial decoding here and the serial decoding is quite expensive. I Don't know why they don't just throw in like an Rs-232 decode or something like that. Anyway, we do have four different decoders here, so if we turn on Rs-232 check this out. Can go all the way to 20 Meg board.

Wow, that's pretty impressive if we can do that. For you know those fast serial bus start fanboys display. We can do event tables and just like that, view individual packets, details, payload. that's pretty jazzy.

Don't mind that at all. You know, just the serial decoders. You could do your own, do like a separate video on the types. Of course they're all optional extra, which is absolutely ridiculous.

Can we actually use the digital input? Are we forced to use the digital imports? Or can we use the analogs? Yep, we can use the analogs. There you go. So in theory, we could have our 16 channels Laden 16 channel logic analyzer and serial decoding happening on our analog channels as well. so that's pretty.

Jersey Let's go to SPI Okay, it's got time-out mode. that's nice so that you don't need the extra line there, you don't have to dedicate that once again selectable threshold level and kilovolts? Yeah! And Nano volts? Yeah, that's a lot. Need Nano Volts threshold level for my SPI bus? Yeah, once again. The sources analog and digital fit.

It looks like for any of the serial decoding, so it looks pretty Jersey Once again, you can get event tables, view, payload sorry I'm not going to bother actually doing real serial decoding with this. I'll leave that for another video and it does have lots of cool features you can access from the main menu here. It does histogram and it's got a hardware frequency counter. It's got pass/fail mask testing.
You can draw rectangles around stuff. It's got zone triggering. It's got power analysis. that's an optional extra stuff.

It does have one Meg point FFT So for those wondering about the FFT capability and previously on the RAI goal, it's been crap. But the new 1:1 Meg points I won't go into details, but yeah, it's supposed to say it's better than previous Roy goals. Anyway, that's a teardown and preview of the new Roy Go MSO 5000 series and I am stunned that they came out with this so quickly after the 7000 series. It's just.

it's nuts. Now, at 909 US dollars for all the heart, you get all the hardware. There is an impressive amount of hardware in this. Yeah, it's got some limitations, but for 909 bucks, if this thing is hackable, they will not be able to manufacture enough of them to keep up with with demand because it would be insane if it was.

Now the value proposition for this thing I Don't like I'd have to go into the details, but it's not hugely competitive at the high end. So yeah, I don't see them selling many of the 5000 dollar ones of this. you know, like it's just don't you know simple stuff like the probe interface and stuff like that. It's just like, no, you're not going to pay that sort of money and live with those sort of limitations.

Forget it. So I'll try and include here just some basic price differentiators at different levels with the basic competition for this 5000 series scope. and I let me know what you want to see in terms of like a review: I Don't have this one for much longer. like I think maybe an extra week I might have it.

So let me know what you want to see. The main competitor is probably the siglent at the low end. at the higher end. it's like the you know the key site in the road and Schwartz and I don't know about the tech.

So anyway, let me know what you think in the comments down below and as always I'll link to the forum thread where I've got all the data dump from this thing and I'm sure people will be trying to hack this thing I mean at 909 bucks? Oh wow, you know if you could hack that 315 even if you couldn't get the bandwidth, even if you could just get like all the serial way. you know all the serial decoding options and and stuff like that and this is where R I go. You know they might eventually. if it's not selling, they might decide all what's you know, special.

Let's bundle in all the decoders and stuff like that. I'm not sure what's happening with the logic analyzer probes or why I didn't get them which is kind of silly and I think you might actually have to buy the probes extra even though it's the MSO model and there is no DSO model. it's only the MSO model. but I think you might have to actually buy the probes extra even though it says MSO on here which is just like crazy if that's the case.
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22 thoughts on “Eevblog #1146 – new rigol mso5000 oscilloscope”
  1. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Jakob says:

    Why are you so wild for this X10/X1 probedection?
    It seems so dated, when x10 is pretty much the norm and it locks you to a sad proteritary brand-interface, that often is very expensive..sure dedicated power to active probes or clamps I can understand, but probedection is dated on consumers scopes IMO.. they should use their funds on something more usefull, like a bigger screen or just a screen of good quality and not these bottom of the barrel TFTs they tend to use..

  2. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Eugen Muller says:

    Have a nice day

    I apologize for the message, I wanted to ask you about an oscilloscope, I just plan to buy a similar one

    I read in the manual about the function of recording the waveform from the input channels and the ability to transmit using the built-in generator.

    But I could not find information, is it possible to record 2 signals from different channels at the same time and transmit them simultaneously using different outputs of the generator

    Recorded on equipment and reproduced, I want to use it to test IGBT drivers from UPS on the desktop. There is no desire to work near the equipment, as the voltage is about 800 volts.

    2 separate channels come to the IGBT control board, if there is no one signal or not at the right time, then the board cannot be checked.

    Sincerely

  3. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars [R@UL] says:

    That's a weird looking playstation.

  4. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Edgar says:

    Finally I bought one. So it's time to watch your video again. Thanks Dave.

  5. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Kavorka Designs says:

    Hi, what scope would you recommend under $1,000 that has the best onscreen wave accuracy?

  6. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars cory lytle says:

    I would love for you to revisit this scope. I have one and like it other than a few gotchas.

  7. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jstro-hobbytech says:

    I want a scope with a good logic analyzer and I have a 2200 dollar budget. I already have 2 scopes. Can I get a stand alone Logic Analyzer for 2200cad

  8. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jstro-hobbytech says:

    i like the night-mode miami vice look haha. im not using it for professional use though.

  9. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars jstro-hobbytech says:

    im buying the same one only 70mhz and with the whole package and extras and it comes to about 1800 canadian bucks. i just bought the sds2202x-e and i cant stand it, i use my tektronix tds2002c 70mhz more. if anyone in canada wants a good deal on the siggie just hit me up. 600 beans.

  10. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars d0 says:

    One thing to consider: the scope is rated for CAT I. That means it is not rated to measure anything that is directly connected to mains (CAT II) or mains directly (CAT III). Depending on what type of hobbyist we are talking about, that might be relevant information.

  11. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Apple 🍎 BARBIERI says:

    es recomendable <'''??

  12. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars MegaGoat says:

    Have to check the power supply on one of these.
    I'll check the fuse first.
    Soldered to board 🙄

  13. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars NeverTalkToCops1 says:

    Some people got lucky with Rhode & Schwarz RTB 2004 (200-300mhz) introductory pricing a while back, around $2500 for the 300mhz. Now, its over $4000. The available "hack" for the Rigol is NOT easy (why would it be?) you have to deal with arcane files and stuff, and this "hack" as listed on the EEVBLOG requires a certain firmware version, which is several YEARS old. If you don't have the right firmware, there is a hack for that alone, which is even more arcane itself. Good luck.

  14. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Ryan Lush says:

    You helped me buy my first Rigol scope. I can still hear you “Rigiol, quality shit mate!”

  15. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Black Imp says:

    I appreciate your work but I'd appreciate it more with lesse emphasys when you speak and a more oredered analysis: After 40 mins video I would like to knw 1. it's worth or not the money it costs 2. dose it accomplish well its main basic tasks? 3. which are its competitors in the market at similar price and how do they compare to this?

  16. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Mark O. says:

    I do believe it’s great 4 channel scope for <$1000. It’s more than 3 years since the review, and Rigol applied many updates to the firmware (including hires) since. If I would decide to buy the scope
    and assuming that I will hack it, I would choose the MSO5074 over the MSO5072,
    the 2 additional 350MHz probes are worth the $99 price difference. What I read, Rigol would accept
    warranty claims even if the scope has been hacked (???).
    I would disagree with the opinion that 8GS it’s overkill in 70MHz scope, it depends what the scope
    is used for. If a user use it only for RF, it’s true, but if somebody is analyzing complicated, even only
    10MHz signal it will make difference. As example, compare 10MHz staircase signal with 100 stairs
    on scopes with 2GS vs 8GS…

    I’m comparing the MSO5000 with SDS2104X Plus for last 1 year, still I didn’t decided
    ($$$ is not factor in this case), but I’m almost sure I will go with the Siglent, main factors are:
    – Optional 10bit ADC.
    – I can use the keyboard and mouse, I DON’T like touch screens!!!
    – More user friendly FFT measurement setups (personally I don’t care 2 Mpts vs 1 Mpts)
    – Significantly lower front end noise level.
    – I have external arbitrary generator. I don't care about features in the integrated generator , but it's nice
    to have build in generator for bode plot. For my needs 50MHz is good enough.

    In my case, the maximum bandwidth 500MHz vs 350MHz doesn’t matter too much, but 500MHz
    option is plus when comes to pulse rise time. I’m working mostly in <100MHz range.

    I have had chance to play with the MS5074, and I know the SDS2104 only from reviews in EEVBlogs
    and wonderful review by “Nezbrun”
    @Nezbrun

    My 5cents…

  17. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars tkarlmann says:

    Spending that much time whining about the fonts on the front panel lettering is utterly ridiculous!

  18. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars XFactor says:

    Thanks for all you do. I love your videos!

  19. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars XFactor says:

    Not at that price for Slave Labor…and, yes, I realize this is 3 years old, but the slave labor hasn't gotten that much better. Did you notice the crooked heat sink mounting. You'd think that was pretty simple to get right.

  20. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars guillermo iturriaga says:

    RIGOL MSO5000 SERIES ARE GREAT MACHINES FOR BUCK

  21. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Martin Kuliza says:

    Sagan on 1942
    CLEARLY THE KID IS BEING RAISED RIGHT :p

    That's how i remembered WW2

  22. Avataaar/Circle Created with python_avatars Fernando Galloso says:

    4000 $ BUAAAAAAA

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